To treat such a loyal servant to the club the way we have. Season 1 (from Jan)- League One Play Offs Season 2- Promotion to Championship Season 3- 1 spot of Championship play offs Not to mention some of the talent Grayson has uncovered for us on a peanut budget: 1) Max Gradel- 18 Championship goals 2) Ross McCormack- 14 Championship goals 3) Adam Clayton- 5 championship goals 4) Lonergan- One of the best keepers in the league for £200k!!!! 5) Kisnorbo- Our best defender if it wasn't for injuries 6) Somma- 12 goals from mainly sub appearences He brought through White and Lees into the first team who have been our two best defenders this season. We will NOT find a better manager and I only hope we get someone like Karl Robinson and not someone like Steve Bruce. Also I won't be changing my name. No matter who our manager is, Grayson is God and hopefully will get a good job soon.
Completely agree mate. He also brought in some great players to get us out off league one. Naylor Sodje Kissa Even some of his less sucesfull signings played a part - Crowe/Watt/Connelly/Sam/McSheffrey. I said in the other thread, people that wanted Grayson sacked are pawns in Bates game.
I disagree, personally i woulda waited until the end of the season admittedly but he does deserve the sack. We are not playing very well and that needs to be fixed
I don't think we could play well if we haven't any financial support and we've just sold our captain.
Josh, that will continue regardless of manager while that cretin Bates is in charge. I heard a rumour that we were after signing a centre back on permanent for 600k, but Bates said no because we already had 6 at the club. He's a cancer and a horrible man.
How many of those 6 are good enough? How many of those 6 did simon grayson sign? I mean i can't argue with what your saying because i dont know and in truth neither do you because it is a rumour and you used the word rumour
Simon Grayson, Leeds United hero. Best Fans, he's quality because he probably got more points per pound spent than any other manager in the division, and his win rate with us was exceptional.
We should have some that are good. Bates is a puppet master and he's set everything up perfectly so no one can argue with him. Need centre backs? get whoever is available. Not good enough? Well you can't have more, you've got enough already. That they're not good enough is down to you. He twists everything and sets everything up so he can pass the blame onto someone else and then call everyone idiots for blaming him. The man is accountable for nothing. He cannot understand that he is wrong about anything. His decisions are the final word, and he constantly makes poor decisions, runs the club badly and blames others for it. He's a horrible man who should never have been allowed to take charge of anything. He's a corrupt bastard who has twisted absolutely everything to pass the blame onto others so I guarantee anything that Grayson has done wrong, he can be given the benefit of the doubt. In my eyes he was not given the opportunity to prove himself in a clear, transparent and honest set up and therefore I will not accept that he is to blame.
Jesus, even now he's been given the boot you can't even see that he simply was average. Mediocre grasp of tactics, no ability to go to plan B when things were going wrong - hence all the collapses - umpteen poor signings, bad man management. Kermit the frog could have got Leeds out of League 1. He's had two years in the Championship to sort out the defence and it's as bad as ever. Bates has placed the manager in a tough position and to succeed you really have to be a good manager. Grayson has been found out. At another club with someone other than Bates as chairman he could probably do a reasonable job, but this was clearly beyond his abilities.
No I'm saying Grayson's ability is completely irrelevant while Ken Bates is in charge of Leeds United. The fans are now divided on whether sacking Grayson was the correct decision, and the bottom line is the decision is completely moot. Every person who says sacking Grayson was the right thing to do is giving that fat old **** more ammunition to argue with, which makes him less and less likely to **** off like he should and rot like he deserves.
There was a table done of it a few weeks ago and we were top of the table, although the numbers were based on speculation regarding fees and wages, it was pretty bang on from what I saw of it.
Its a tough call for SG. I agree that changing the manager half way through is always a risky call but faces are saved all around no matter what the outcome: i.e. manager settling in (no promo) or it was the right choice (promo). I liked SG and I would thank him very much for the hard work and would say it was tough luck as none of us really know the extent of the damage KB is doing, if any, he might be somehow doing good (the optimist in me) but I doubt it. Maybe SG will give some insight once the season is over. I hope he gets an easier ride in his next job. God? Probably, if not for putting up with KB alone. Now the dilemma: I really want to support the boys in the team but not KB. What to do....?!
You could say that every fan who disagrees with anything that Bates does is a whining moron that is putting investment at risk - that's what the old tosser said in the interview anyway. Just because you agree with the decision doesn't make you part of the Bates fan club and equally, I don't think the old twat cares what people think anyway. The bottom line is he will be here until he dies or a golden opportunity presents itself (Russian/Arab businessman) so ANY manager has to be able to work here. So Grayson's abilities were critical, and in the end, they weren't good enough.
I'm not telling anyone to disagree with the decision, I'm telling everyone who does agree to keep their mouths shut until Bates is gone. Openly agreeing with any decision Bates makes is harmful to the process as it distracts from the issue at hand. While we're talking about Grayson, we're not talking about Bates. While we're not talking about Bates, unrest is not increasing. While unrest isn't increasing, we're increasing the amount of time it will be until that cancerous leech is out of the club we all love.
It's funny how we sack SG and bring a new manager in just as the transfer window slams shut... KB timed it to perfection! New Manager to appease the fans and none of the kitty spent! I agree with the people saying SG had his time, albeit marred by being undermined all the time, but it is only half the problem. Bates Out!
Grayson is an ok manager, but nowhere near great. His biggest problem is a lack of intelligence, and poor morality. Sorry, having an affair with an employee is going to cost you respect in the dressing room, at the club and in the game. I believe he struggled to get quality players into the club because once they met him they didn't believe he had the goods. His tactical inability has hurt Leeds far too often, and his pig headedness regarding selection was just diabolical. For example, his insistence on playing Andy Hughes was baffling when the lad was clearly struggling to run five yards or pass straight. Sorry, regardless of what Grayson "achieved" at Leeds, it was time for him to go, and in my opinion probably eight months too late!! Thank you Simon, but Leeds have to progress now, and you had reached your limit.
