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Harris has left for the Valleys!

Discussion in 'Wycombe' started by WWFCCALZY, Jan 30, 2012.

  1. Rocky blue army

    Rocky blue army Well-Known Member

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    finchy does it instil you with confidence seeing players like harris go given what dross we have left in our squad
     
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  2. Finchyblue

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    No Rocky but I think that is a separate issue, being a manager's ability to assemble a decent squad. Unfortunately I don't have the confidence in Waddock to bring in a suitable replacement, judging by his track record of signings. I think that is what maybe makes the situation feel worse from a supporters point of view.
     
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  3. Rocky blue army

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    what grieves me is that we replace good players with ones that are worse than what we got rid of and that is down to one man and that is waddock
     
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  4. Bilversack

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    Sorry Finchy disagree - a club as 'big' as Cardiff? We turned down offers from Fulham last season, so they must disagree.

    And of course Hayes will do well selling players and getting a decent deal - cos it's paying back HIS loan notes! Can you think of any other reason why WWFC hasn't seen any of the Ibe money and why it won't see any of the Harris money? Do you honestly believe that he is going to give us 'transfer funds' from all this cash? If it happens I'll be really pleased to be pointed out that I was totally wrong, but my view is he's asset stripping this club now before getting out of it with exactly the money he put into it.

    He's bleeding us dry.
     
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  5. Finchyblue

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    Spot on Rocky I think that is the issue. It feels ten times worse when you lose someone like Kadeem and just worry you will get a player of similar (if indeed any) talents as a John Halls. When we lost Johnson for example it was a lot easier stomach as we had somebody like Williamson still at the club and you had confidence that the manager would bring in a decent replacement. Sadly, we have only Grant and Ainsworth as recognised wingers, one is very hit and miss and a luxury in certain games and the others is look very much past it and only able to influence the odd game here and there. Betsy was frozen out and then left.
     
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  6. Finchyblue

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    Jock, rumours were at the time that those offers from Fulham were very small, £50-100k so you would be able to turn those down. He was also younger at the time and with few appearances and probably felt himself he had more to learn at the club and club were having a promotion season. This year, a season further on , a year closer to contract end and an 18 year old now with a regular taste of the first team. That team being a team struggling against relegation, him being one of the few positives. The player is probably thinking what more can I really learn at Wycombe, that I couldn't at Cardiff? You even allude to the inevitability of him going on your other thread.

    That said by no means am I pro Hayes, I can't stand the guy. His mis-management in other areas being the obscene amount of admin staff employed and his focus on a new stadium, which we simply don't need and his conflict of interest in owning two companies, one being landlord and one tenant.

    I don't think the money is touching his loan notes, it is probably being spent on the army of old field staff!!
     
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  7. Finchyblue

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  8. Bilversack

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    I agree with you in essence Finchy - I think the point i was disagreeing with you about is that he probably can and will play at a much higher level as both Fulham and now Cardiff have shown an interest in him.

    I think what's slightly unnerving is the fact that he's gone on an 'undisclosed' fee. - You're right, on my other post I do allude to him inevitably going and it was always going to happen. What I question is why the 'undisclosed fee'? Seems to me Hayes isn't wanting us to know how much he is getting for the players, thereby meaning he can always say we are indebited to him.

    I may be being cynical but I've supported my club for more than 25 years, and times are very dark indeed. We are in an unprecedented economic situation for football clubs - the smaller teams have to sell in order to exist. That was do-able (although far from reasonable) until very recently, but when the new EPPR comes in we won't even be getting decent fees for them. Now, teams can get through this really dodgy patch, but they need to be run by someone who is sensible and isn't there to make a quick buck - someone who geniunely cares about the club and it's long term future. Don't give me ****e about a 5-year business plan to get into the championship - what I want to hear is a 30 year plan to ensure we still exist then, irrespective of what division we're in

    I am beginning to think that the ONLY way we (and many other clubs) can survive is by dropping down a division or two and becoming community-owned. Interestingly enough, there's a little success story in all of this, and that's Bournemouth - a community owned club, arguably not potentially bigger than us - who've just splashed 800k on a new striker. They show it can be done.

    I don't think WWFC are unique either, i can see a lot of teams going that way in the next few season, unless something drastic is done. FIFA are completely pointless and are imploding, the Premier League couldn't give two stuffs and if they had it their way there wouldn't be any promotion or relegation and the FA are powerless in this country now as the Premier League dominates things.

    THe only real solution is for wages to be capped, sugar daddies to be banned (something Fifa keep bleating on about doing but not actually going ahead with it), one member-one vote options (i.e. no outright owners that can make or break a club with one wave of the cheque book) and for clubs to be turned into community-owned assets where the owners are the fee-payers.

    This isn't idealism, it's the only option I fear. I need a PINT.
     
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  9. Finchyblue

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    I agreed with you on the future of the club. The whole football world is generally spiralling out of control in the money sense and I think it may take a "big" club to go under/into administration to even begin for there to be any sort of change. Even then I am not convinced much will change.

    I have been supporting the club for about the same time Jock and I have never felt as despondent about the club as I do now. Even last season in a promotion season, it still didn't feel that great. The whole atmosphere of the club is terrible. Most people don't like the owner and he doesn't appear to like most of us and to compound the issue even the manager now appears largely clueless and has assembled a poor squad of players, with only Beavon, Bull and at times Leon, I can honestly say as being exceptions.

    And its sad that you and I, also would prefer us to have to drop down a division or two, or more, to help sort us out as a club! Yes we were spoiled having Martin O'Neill for 5-6 years but even since then we have had poor seasons but there was still something about the club. Oddly one of my most enjoyable seasons watching Wycombe was in 96/97, in which we started terribly, Smith got the sack and Gregory came in. Gregory has been my least favourite manager of Wycombe in my time and yet that season, which started with struggle and ended with a manager who was a kn*b, I still enjoyed and felt ok about spending my money travelling the country to see my team. It felt like a "club" back then.

    Now, I struggle to motivate myself to pay to go to home matches and this season was the first season in over 35 years my dad hasn't renewed his season ticket!
     
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    Cheers Jock

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  11. Finchyblue

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    My need something stronger than that Ron!! Think it could get worse. In an article entitled, "Beavon not for sale says Waddock," in the BFP, the rather limp quote on keeping Beavon was, "He's played for us today. He's under contract with us. He remains a Wycombe Wanderers player." Not exactly a, "he is our player, he is absolutely going nowhere"!! Sounds more like, "He is our player at the moment but not convinced he will be much longer!"
     
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  12. Rocky blue army

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    eppr is a load of old tosh damaging small clubs like ours,whats the point in having a youth team anymore we might as well scrap it now and save money ,also i agree with finchy all the backroom staff are bleeding us dry as well,in the oneill days we were more successful with us being a smaller club with less staff and yet we still managed to sign decent players and had a decent team,we cant say that now,in my twenty six years of supporting the blues this is the worst blues team i have ever seen.the club used to have a decent rappour with its fans, that has long since gone thanks to hayes and his cronies.i want hayes out and waddock out and see the club run properly by someone who has passion for our club but sadly thats unlikely to happen.i am seriously debating renewing my season ticket next season which is one thing i thought would never happen,but the alienation of us fans by the owner is really pissing me off now..rant over
     
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  13. Rocky blue army

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    finchy you hit the nail on the head there mate waddock and hayes dont exactly come across as doing everything they can to keep one of our prized assets
     
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  15. Rocky blue army

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    steve hayes is gonna buy beever a tea tray because he keeps carrying 9 mugs about
     
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    Bloody hell rocky, keep 'em coming <wah><wah>
     
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  17. Rocky blue army

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    waddock signed a new striker today jock m. fit, turned out i read it wrong it was misfit must be from the shots again :emoticon-0136-giggl:emoticon-0136-giggl:emoticon-0136-giggl
     
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