OT Mike Lowery - Grime Poll

Eminem is quality like as time has gone on I think he has got worse but he is really good, another grime artist I think would be up there if they released more songs would be Tempa T

 

Eminem is not the best. Lil Wayne before his auto tuning crap was better. The earlier albums by him were extremely good as he stuck with what he was good at. A "bad man" with a funny edge. Once he ditched that he went down hill. 50 Cent was a world beater until he went soft too. The landscape of hip hop/rap has changed in a big way and that does not help. Of the current generation, Eminem wipes the floor with them all but that is the same as Dennis Bergkamp of 1999 coming back and playing for Arsenal now

Akala is good but there is much better talent out there. People warm to him because he is not what most of the scene represents and that throws people off course. Check out people I have mentioned above.

 

Tempz has many songs. People just bum Next Hype.

 

I know he has loads I'd just like to see more, Next Hype isn't even that great, I like the Snowed Under video with JME

 

Well, after the gold run of 97-02, the pills did completely take him over and he became a total parody of himself from 2004-2007. 09 was a return to some sort of form, but the last two years he's been pretty bad.

 

In answer to the OP's question its Wiley - is he the creator of the genre after all.

My personal favorite grime mc is Rinse, a close second is Meany. Most of you probably wont have heard of Rinse ..

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[video=youtube;w8zE44mUBJU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8zE44mUBJU[/video]

 

Hilarious.

A "bad man" with a funny edge is the complete misconception of what Eminem was about. The most gifted and intricate rhymer in hip-hop history by a landslide. Amazing use of sarcasm and irony (his 2nd album is complete and utter sarcasm), lots of subtle social commentary and satire. Not to mention a ridiculously good flow that was completely unlike anything before it. He's like music version of South Park; dismissed as a gimmick just with just shock comedy but there is so much more to him. The SSLP is a masterpiece, using the slim shady character as a veil for deeper problems.

And 50 Cent has always been horrible.

 

Rinse is ok for a Glaswegian . I have met him. Sound guy who has worked with people like Durrty Goodz!

 

Nothing is as hilarious as you saying Eminem is one of the best! Anyone who is anyone, knows that is not the case. He had a run of about 4 or 5 years where he was good but he is nothing now. Yes, he was a social commentator but he used wit to describe it. He was playful and clever while still churning out songs to maintain an image that people wanted. Hence why bad man was in inverted commas. 50 Cent was always horrible??? Give me a break! Anyway, this is not about US hip hop, it is about Grime. A sub genre now being taken forward by America (P Diddy most notably) and being used.

 

Got this on my iPhone love this song JME just don's it, Punch in the face is his best tune IMO

 

Good work. I have to say, it is rare I ever come across Grime fans in our part of the world. It is usually a London thing that sparsely appears here.

 

Definitely more of a London thing !
I was worried to put this thread out there because I didn't think many would be interested but I'm pleasantly surprised by the response

 

Who is anyone who is anyone? They obviously know little about hip-hop if they don't place Eminem as one of the best, simple as that. His run of 5 years was the greatest run in hip-hop history, by far. He was untouchable between 1997 and 2002. He didn't have an imagine that people wanted, his image worked from the get-go with My Name Is. He was completely depressed after Infinite flopped and created this character which he used as a veil for his deeper problems. Using wit to describe social commentary takes a lot of skill. His shift from album to album was immense as well. Each of his first 3 albums has a running concept to it which he uses to great effect. Not only that, but he's touched on more topics than pretty much any other rapper.

And 50 Cent. Well, I suppose you could argue he was decent on Power To The Dollar, because he had some decent concepts and sounded hungry. His flow and rhyming were still ****. Get Rich was hyped due to Dre's production and the hooks. He's been repetitive for 10 years.

 

how can you call people like immortal technique terrible. they story tell and rap about things important to them as people and don't go on about all the materialistic crap. so he opposes american policy so that automatically makes him a conspiracy theorist? at least hes brave enough to engage in political debate with some intelligence to back it up.

also eminem did mosh that touched on a lot of that sort of ****, but when he does it its the most amazing thing in the world. eminem was backed by the mainstream, he is very very talented but he put out a lot of crap and still got in the charts because he was eminem, he had the white audiences on his side from the get go and the black audiences due to him being dr dres protege he had alot going for him alone in that aspect.

eminem related to us as an audience people like immortal technique reaches out to people from his culture uses his money from his music to put back into his community. as an artist that puts him above most, he makes his money from highlighting the struggles of his people and then gives back to them.. hes far from terrible and i dont think you could find many other hip hop fans or artist that would to agree with you.

 

Immortal Technique does have some interesting content (as well as some ludicrous stuff) but that's not enough to make you something special. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. His storytelling skills are pretty bland (Dance With The Devil is insanely overrated), his rhyming is poor and his flow is absolute garbage, he can't stay on beat for more than a few bars, and for someone who's made as much music as him, that's pretty embarassing. He's got some decent songs here and there, but generally he's just become a poster boy for underground hip-hop because he's spittin da truth, and because he's one of the first underground emcees most people hear.

See, I'd argue Mosh is pretty awful. It's full of anti-war cliches that most people were saying at the time ("no more blood for oil"), and I don't think Eminem knew what he was really talking about it, he was just going with the tide at that point. His flow is pretty unbearable as well. Shame, because it's a thumping Dre beat wasted really. White America is political-Eminem in his zone. Taking his own situation and using it to look at American life in a broader context. It's more smarter, better written and is much more complex.

I hate when people bring up the fact he was popular or had mainstream backing as a reason to discredit him. It's so ridicuolous. His popularity pays no bearing on why he was so great. SSLP was pretty much an underground album gone mainstream. Yeah, he was forced to make first singles like The Real Slim Shady, but they're still well-written songs, with plenty of depth and have full relation to the concept of their respective albums (I'm not counting the hideous Just Lose It in this by the way. My argument is completely against anything Eminem did 04-07, 10-12).

IT's charitable work is very admirable but in terms of skills as a rapper/artist, Eminem was in another stratosphere in his prime. And I've visited many hip-hop forums over the years, and there is a decent minority who would agree with me.

 

Just throwing out there how surprised I am that there are people who listen to the crap I do on here !

 

immortal technique is almost unlistenable at times..dance with the devil is unbelievably well known though

nail on the head job there

eminem ..where to start really. can barely listen to him at times either. That album with royce was great in parts but then i was always a royce fan , he did seem to spark eminem into life (eminem actually took him on a fair few tracks I reckon but then royce has spread himself very thin lately, solo album , mixtapes, slaughterhouse) His last album was alright..

tbh eminem lost me with his one "serious" track one "wacky" track phase ..his warring with pop artists but never anyone with any credibility. Ja rule even tore him one. His fans are some of the worst as well. Gashead you blatantly know what youre talking about but so many em fans are so myopic in their views on hip hop its ridiculous. Then again hes got so many fans hes bound to have a few idiots I suppose.


i mean, this is the guy who had hip hop in the palm of his hand and then started feuds with mariah carey and made songs called big weenie. **** that for gamer of soldiers kid. those accents as well..


grime will never take off in america, they cant deal with our accents . dont really listen to much grime but quite a bit of uk hip hop, people who been round for a while like Jehst and roots and a lot of new "road rap" . blade browns Financial Times and Fem Fels Eyes Closed are probably my most listened hip hop albums over the last year which is saying a lot

 

Grime can't take of in America there accent is too slow to be part of the grime movement !
Agree though about never taking on anyone with real credibility like in the not afraid parody song one of the lines is "I won't diss Kanye or Lil Wayne that aint fun, they're both really nice and they ain't hurt no one" sums eminem up he would rather just mock washed up celebs than rappers

 

In my opinion you cannot really compare eminem and immortal due the situations they both rap in tech you have to remember is unsigned with 0 commercial backing, cost on production and post production editing ect will be bare minimum eminem has had massive amounts of backing and dre tracks to work off of, ive never doubted ems ability but impact musically I think technique reaches deeper into people and sparks some intellectual thought maybe not for you or me but people he reaches out to.

Anyways have you heard much of MC Supernatural? That guys vocabulary is insane