Nass how do you get the Oddschecker timeline up ? I see Hugh Taylor tweeting about it a lot to prove his prices were available
Thank you Ron. I have only started to look at Forums since the jumps started and found this one seems to have a lot of the old 606 members on here.
RV, click on the horses name and it shows you all the differing odds when they were available. You will see that I missed 10/1 on DLD by about 2 minutes. Brig, lets see what PP have to say on twitter, love ruffling feathers!!
You all enjoying the Betfred offers at the minute? They are giving me great amusement. £10 max stake on their offers. Really pushing the boat out. Brig
See John Ferguson runs Creekside tomorrow at CATTERICK 100+ on the flat for John Oxx - Mr Broom will be in his element
Mine for today: Donny, 1.05 - Quousko de I'isop 25/1 2.50 - Corkage 11/1 3.25 - Vin De Roy 10/1 3.55 - Special Mix 25/1 Ffos Las 12.45 - Cock of the rock 6/1 1.50 - Armedanddangerous 12/1 3.00 - Inkberrow Rose 20/1 4.05 - Cabo Roche 15/2
Morning chaps - a fleeting visit from me from my office chair Carronhills - I'm with you in the 13-05 from Donny, but I couldn't find that 25's anywhere and had to take SP this morning. Did you GET 25's? If so who with? I have very limited access to "sporting" sites from here!
Pour Moi (122) beat Treasure Beach (120) a head and Carlton House (119) under a length. Nathaniel (126) beat Workforce (125) 2 and 3/4 lengths and St Nicholas Abbey (124) by 4. Then finished 3 1/4 lengths behind Cirrus Des Aigles (128) over an inadequate trip. You might think that Pour Moi is the better horse but the ratings make perfect sense.
The ratings don't make sense for those two. How can a horse who won the Derby in such taking style be rated behind a horse who won a dodgy Ascot race in which the second hung across the track and the third was unsuited by the false pace? Nathaniel shouldn't be rated over 120 for me, that race was a fluke in my opinion and he was put in his place by Cirrus Des Aigles. I don't buy it.
Grizz, re your Quevega / BB post. Ive backed that double in big size on the nose. Your e/w proposal is interesting but I cant see either being beat unless they fall. Does anyone else think its odd that PP are out to get Quevega? I think thats a stonking bet.
I'm not saying I disagree with your view, just that the handicappers have little choice but to give them the ratings that they have.
The handicapper could take the same view as me and just mark the Nathaniel win with a big squiggle and use his other form to give a more realistic handicap mark. Its a bit like the Master Minded issue, one 'great' performance doesn't make the horse much better than horses that beat it subsequently
Why do winning distances have to be taking so seriously every time ? so obvious Pour Moi was worth more than the derby distance. If we kept going like this Treasure Beach beat Nathaniel and Nathaniel was only a half length away from Frankel at 2. I can understand when after watching the race it is a fair reflection but Pour Moi was worth so much more than the head suggests in the Derby
This post reminded me of this idea I had a while ago but have yet to put into practice. I'm not sure Big Buck's and Quevega are the best examples but there we are. It originally occurred to me when Havingotascoobydo was running in that rank race at Wetherby at 30/100 having fallen last time. There was no way he could get beaten if he stood up and yet his place odds on Betfair were considerably shorter than his win odds. The idea came to me that, given the concerns about his jumping, you could back him in the win market and lay in the place market. That way if he wins you win, and if he falls you get your money back. And if he places then you have done your donuts! Another example would be Oscar Whisky at Cheltenham on New Year's Day. For me there was no way he could get beaten, but there is always the chance that he might fall. He was available to back in the win market at 1.72 and you could lay him in the place market at 1.16. This huge disparity is understandable but I think it gives this idea some value. It might be best employed in novice chases with dodgy jumpers. I don't know really. I haven't researched it at all, it was just an idea that came to me!
