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The Official Man Utd & Liverpool plus Chelsea, Everton and City Banter Thread!

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by UIR - Kagawa Powa, Jul 21, 2011.

  1. Whiteside of Red

    Whiteside of Red Member

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    It's still leaves it open to interpretation - a soft red in my view.
     
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  2. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Aye, but the current guidance says:

    "Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play."

    I wouldn't say Kompany was using excessive force or endangering Nani's safety given the positions of the two players and the minimal contact that was made. More reckless than dangerous imo.

    Interestingly enough tho, the guidance does say tackles from the front, the side or behind are equivalent in the modern game. One in the eye for all those whinging about Giggs and his "tackle from behind"...
     
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  3. Rubadub

    Rubadub Well-Known Member

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    Well if it's a law then why is it not applied to everyone the same way? And If you go through the law's there is also a law that ban's tackle's from behind and that law does'nt seem to apply to Ryan Giggs.
     
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  4. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    There's no such law and there never has been. I suggest you go through the laws yourself if you aren't sure.
    http://ar.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2011_12e.pdf

    The only restrictions on tackling from behind are that you can't go through the player, as this counts as a reckless lunge. As Giggs didn't go straight through Aguero, and had his studs down, he wasn't reckless or dangerous.
     
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  5. BCR

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    There will always be discrepencies with this, we have seen the soft ones given, we have seen the hard ones not. Just an example is I think Carra's on nani last year was probably a lot worse than Kompany's the other day, granted nani made a meal of it, it was deemed i think a yellow right?

    This will be one of those topics that will pop up , go away, and then come back up. Cabaye on Spearing went unpunished and he left that foot in and could have easily been a leg breaker. but I don't think a foul was even called. So it can go all different directions.
     
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  6. Rubadub

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    So Giggs did'nt go through Aguero from behind without touching the ball? Because that's what I saw and even if he did'nt and I somehow saw the tackle from a different angle which is possible every ref give's a yellow for that tackle Giggs did it's a dead cert yellow usually.
     
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  7. Lucaaas

    Lucaaas Well-Known Member

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    One of the main problems with tackling and people's opinions on tackles is that commentators have made laws up themselves and everytime something similar happens they keep quoting the law and say "thats what the rulebook says", even though the law doesn't actually exist.
     
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  8. Bloody Wanker

    Bloody Wanker Active Member

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    So you don't think it's because the "offending" player happened to be facing Manchester United then?
     
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  9. BCR

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    No, Ref's have a difficult job. Now it took italy about 20 years to finally crack some teams on paying refs etc and it was in the works since at least 98. We can all say this and that about refs but when has it ever come out with that sort of evidence they ahd in italy?

    I think refs either try to make a point or bottle calls half the time.
     
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  10. BCR

    BCR Well-Known Member

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    Does ANYONE want to talk footy ffs!?! Ballon D'Or, SAF won some award, think for longevity? Guardiola won manager of the year, easy choice. Messi will surely win his third in a row although I think Xavi is such an unsung hero for that team ( in terms of personal awards).
     
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  11. BCR

    BCR Well-Known Member

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    Rooney lost to this, thoughts? Cracking goal from neymar though, foot skills are tremendous.

    [video=youtube;yilmHgZntsM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yilmHgZntsM[/video]
     
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  12. Chief

    Chief Northern Simpleton Forum Moderator

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    I can't believe the indignation in some of you Liverpool fans. Were we playing you? No, we weren't.

    Two words for you - Jack Rodwell.

    Some you get for you, some you get against you. There is NO consitency in refereeing but to suggest you lot never get any in your favour whilst we do is fantasy of the worst kind.

    Now please, ****ing leave it.
     
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  13. BCR

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    This <ok>
     
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    KingEric07. cape wearing twat

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    <ok>

    This ^
     
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  15. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    No he didn't. His tackling foot came around the side, and there was no danger of injury to Aguero. Clear foul, but no worse than most slide tackles that miss the ball. I suggest you watch it again. Feel free to post the video here if you find it, and I'll happily talk you through it <ok>

    Very true. That and they keep banging on about the rules ten years ago, ignoring all the changes that have been made to the rules since.

    Refs have a pretty impossible job imo - they have to follow a game that is so fast half the players are knackered by the end, and the ref invariably runs further than any of the players. And no matter what call they make they get hammered - I've seen City fans claiming Kompany deserved to be sent off for leaving the floor with both feet, and Utd fans claiming it wasn't even a foul! So whatever the ref did someone could still say he'd made the wrong call.

    That's a quality goal although there's a bit when he controls it on the edge of the area where it looks like he's got a very lucky rebound off one foot onto the other! Guess only he knows if he meant it or not ;)
     
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  16. BCR

    BCR Well-Known Member

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    nah, he meant that, it is a really hard move to pull off, especially at top speed! His hair though <yikes> although Rooney's at the time was no better/lack there of <laugh>
     
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  17. Lucaaas

    Lucaaas Well-Known Member

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    You'd think the money they get paid they would at least bother to research the rules and some of the players from time to time. Prime example of MOTD pundits not doing research is Shearer saying about Ben Arfa "We don't know much about him". Now I don't expect Shearer to have watched millions of his games or know his career inside out, but I'd expect him to at least know a bit about him seeing as he was a French international playing for Lyon then Marseille who were European regulars in most, if not all, of the seasons when he was at the two teams.
     
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  18. Whiteside of Red

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    pg111 is interesting as well on the definitions of "careless, reckless, and using excessive force"
    http://ar.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2011_12e.pdf
     
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  19. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Punditry does seem to be an exercise in laziness at times. I reckon they could just get a computer, program it with loads of cliches, and let it produce them at random and it would do just as good a job. I just wish one of them would say something original for once! Scholes was a great example on Sunday - all the pundits banging on about his great experience and what he adds to the team. He hit one long shot and gave the ball away three times and yet they're still going on about how "uncharacteristic" it is for him to lose possession and what a goal threat he is. It's like they're still talking about 2007...
     
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  20. Depay Sound

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