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Let's get a general consensus on this: Warnock

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by awjm, Jan 5, 2012.

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Do you still believe in Warnock for this season?

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  1. KooPeeArr

    KooPeeArr Well-Known Member

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    Bit harsh condemning half the squad for particular errors I think.

    Messi missed a 1 v 1 with the Osasuna keeper - is he uninspiring?
     
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  2. elnino37

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    I think you've taken it a bit too seriously sir. I'm merely suggesting that Traore hasn't been consistent this season
     
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  3. oldtimeranger

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    Not posted for a while but thought I would here as I can't believe anybody thinks this is a good time to ditch NW.

    I've seen most home games and half the away games this season and I don't think we've been as bad as some seem to think.

    What we sadly lack is premiership quality players in several positions. Most importantly, centre back and striker. Last season we were brilliant in defense but our various combinations of 'back four' this season haven't cut it at this level and only now has NW a chance to address this problem. Let's hope he does.

    Heider has punched above his weight this year and all credit to him. Campell has yet to show up and Bothroyd needs more service which now that Adel has semi sorted his head out might be forthcoming. If NW can get us a big, bully of a centre forward I reckon the likes of JB, SWP, LY and AT can provide the service.

    Our style of play is what we have to do with the men we've got. To be fair to NW, with the exception of a couple of nightmares, we've stiffled some very good sides this year and if we'd been just a little more solid at the back and a little more incisive/lucky at the front we would be 5 or 6 points better than we are.

    We must let him strengthen the squad and then he can play the football he and we would prefer.

    Don't take too much notice of his post match comments, they never were too clever and I think he should stop JB's twittering or take the armband off him. He's a character no doubt but his comments aren't helping.

    Lastly, all of those who think we should ditch NW should be made to suggest with whom we replace him.
     
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  4. elnino37

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    I wonder how far Steve Bruce would fair with the fans....
     
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  5. KooPeeArr

    KooPeeArr Well-Known Member

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    No offence meant (or taken).

    I'll still point out that all teams go through bad patches and are therefore inconsistent.

    Young's been the only new player I'd say has been truly consistent but he'll have a bad game/moment. That's not to say that there haven't been a large number that I'm more than happy with.

    I suppose I'd say the same about NW. Bad games and good ones but still not ever thought that the guy shouldn't be in charge.
     
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  6. elnino37

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    No we are all being a bit cynical seeing as it could just be seen as a bad run. But this bad run needs to end soon, otherwise I fear a replacement will be needed. Jim Magilton should return with Gorum, the football we played there was amazing. Unfortunately him and Buz will probably opt for round 2! ha
     
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  7. KooPeeArr

    KooPeeArr Well-Known Member

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    Magilton played nice football but he really is tactically naive.

    His idea of plan B was to point the team in the other direction at half time.

    We were on a very bad run when he did a Barton on Buzz and we'd still be in the Championship had he still been here.
     
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  8. elnino37

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    No I agree, I just thoroughly enjoyed our 4-2 win away at Derby that year. Notably the kit as well as the way we played. (even though we were 2-0 down)
     
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  9. _qpr-scotland_

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    <applause>

    Safety is all that matters this year. At the moment we're out of the drop zone and about to invest in players. Im not worried...yet
     
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  10. KooPeeArr

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    That was a great run we went on - even Agyemang was scoring for fun!
     
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  11. _qpr-scotland_

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    Are you for real?
     
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  12. awjm

    awjm Well-Known Member

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    Well said. On top of that, do we want another situation where there is a change of manager every time there's a little bit of fear? The revolving door of managers under Flavatore was not fun!
     
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  13. awjm

    awjm Well-Known Member

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    Also, the poll is suggesting that a big majority believe in Warnock... which possibly means that the reason for it feeling like everyone is against him is that the people who are against him are simply more noisy, annoying and whiney.
     
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  14. RuislipRanger

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    Who is not our call,many on here didnt fancy NW from the start.TF will have advisors and wether we liked the new man or not "he" will be brought in,if it happens.
     
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  15. Ninj

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    ive said this quite a few times now: when NW took over, he stated he needed to get two teams - one to get us out of the championship and one to keep us in the premiership. NW also had the hassle of bernie and flav WHO decided that NW didn't need to invest in the championship wnning team, that was good enough to compete in the top league. Well, just imagine where we'd be IF TF hadn't come in. I doubt very much NW would still be around and who the fook would want to manage a football guaranteed a relegation spot?

    NW is still getting HIS premiership team together - most, sorry, all of what has been done so far was lastminute.com. Im sure, that had TF taken over before hand, we would have a slightly stronger side than we have now, and, that some of the freebies would not be around - Dyer for example.

    Let's just get behind NW and the team. A few years ago berni and flav rescued our club from going out of business -they took it as far as they wated and now we have a new board and owner THAT want to see QPR do well. I for one reckon NW has earnt the right to see this season out and Ilook forward to seeing who he brings in - and he has always stated the need for new faces.

    As so far as Mark Huges coming to QPR - well, IF Fulham could't keep him I can't see us getting him. Steve Bruce?? No thanks decent defender - not a good manager. Who else would want the job?

    Bottom line we should be supporting NW and the team not continually debating a topic which, is frankly getting a tad boring. I just wonder HOW long we will wait for the next one after this.
    Having followed QPR many many years, we have usually had a bad spell during a season - the last couple of years or since NW has come in, we have missed out on a run such as the one we ae on at the moment. Secondly, Norwich were there for the taking when JB was on the park - his stupidity cost us that game when he got red carded (not going into the was it or was it not a headbutt, he got sent off and we played with 10 men and got beat), and he has played enough football to know what can and what could happen.

    Ferdinand has suffered more than jt since the win at chelsea, and I reckon we were lucky RVP left his goal scoring boots at home when we played arsenal. We al know the areas that require strengthening so (and as a thought) why the fook don't we give NW time? AT needed a kick up the arse and the last couple of games he has looked as though HE wants to play. We have had injuries, bad referring decisions go against us, but we are in Jan. If we are where we are now at the end of the season it's job well done as we will play premier league footie again. Who thought that Bolton or Blackburn, two established premier league teams would struggle this year and both have more experience than us?

    Come on and be the twelve man at Loftus Rd for the rest of the season. NW stopped us from getting relegated and got us promoted - surely we owe him a debt of gratitude and some support

    Rangers till i die!!
     
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  16. Rollercoaster Ranger

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  17. RuislipRanger

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    Gratitude he has plus he gets well paid but we owe him nothing.We support QPR fc not NW ,he is an employee not our best mate.And finally Ninj if its a "tad boring" for you dont comment.
     
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  18. Trypsin-1

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    people need to get last season out of their minds, it was never going to be that easy!
     
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  19. BrixtonR

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    Before I begin let's make a couple of things clear. Whilst I am certainly losing confidence in Neil Warnock, with Martin O'Neil no longer available, there is no one around with the instant results qualities of people like MO'N and Arry to replace him. Anyone else would be an even bigger gamble than Neil himself - so he has to be kept on in the vague hope he'll get off his soapbox and start learning from his mistakes.

    Given our poor performance over recent decades, I was very optimistic about NW's appointment as manager. I felt certain we'd at last got a solid leader on board and we were going places. Whilst l remained confident throughout last season, I started to become slightly concerned by the lack of innovation, plan B and some choices of sub in the last two or three months. Everything seemed to hinge of the performance of a maverick player, until we eventually stumbled over the line and won the title.

    All good, I thought, if extremely lucky with the Faurlingate affair. Obviously, this had nothing to do with Warnock who delivered a great performance in keeping spirits up throughout that and the farce of a close season that was to follow.

    However, this year I have to say I'm losing confidence in Warnock's ability to set us on the right tracks. Playing reasonably well is one thing but scoring points is another. Seems to me that if Norwich or Swansea had had the chance to get the likes of Barton, SWP, Young and Ferdinand in, they'd be flying now - even more than they are.

    With us there are serious questions in both content AND style.

    As far as content goes, there's far too much reliance on the expected reinforcements. In order to accommodate them, we need a system that emphasises attack over defence rather than the other way round. Two or three holding mids is one or two too many. It means a total of seven or eight defenders and straight away we're calling the opposition into our half of the pitch - where mistakes not only can and do happen BUT keep happening.

    Warnock needs to take adult responsibility for what isn't working and get solid systems in place. Doesn't matter how big, strong, skillful or otherwise a new striker may be, he won't be effective without plenty of service. By crowing on about match officials etc., NW's making enemies of the thought police and completely unnecessarily. It won't help our cases for clemency at all. In other words, he's doing exactly what Barton did in confronting Johnson and losing not only the game but the skipper for the next three!

    We need to learn from our more obvious mistakes - and quite frankly, Neil seems to be making the same ones over and over again.

    As for style, I can see something emerging around 'in yer face', upsetting tactics - blending in rather improbably with that slik pass and move ability. Saw parts of each against Chelsea on the one hand and Toon, Spurs and City on the other. The whole thing accually started to come together against Swans. If this blend of styles was designed and intended to become characteristic of Rs 2012, more of same please... Problem is though, I'm also seeing too much hoofy creeping in to make me entirely sure we do know what we're doing.

    With all the lovey stuff going on upstairs, it's going to take some time before the owners get the hump enough to start scouting around for alternatives. Fix yer belts please for another frightening trip on the Rangers rollercoaster!!
     
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  20. _qpr-scotland_

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    Ninj can you make that a thread in itself. Pretty much encapsulates everything I've been feeling and as a second page comment in a thread I doubt enough people will see it. Is that allowed Brix?

    <ok>
     
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