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16 points from safety?

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Cest Advocaat, Jan 4, 2012.

  1. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    Okay. Just got back from Wigan and had a cracking day out. Weather was some of the worst I've seen this winter with perishing temperatures, lots of sleet & rain and terrible blustery gales but it was worth every penny.

    Another mammoth team effort from another makeshift team that looked like they were held together with sticking plasters at times but nonetheless, a terrific result away from home in the EPL. Thats 13 from 18 points now in 6 games and an incredible turnaround of fortune.

    I reckon 40 points keeps you up as I cant see Wigan getting another 25 points between now and May, or Bolton 26 pts and Blackburn 27 pts.

    16 points or 5 more wins and a draw from the last 18 games. I think we can manage that to be fair.


    One note of huge disappointment for me tonight though, was the crowds reaction to Bendtner for most of the game. He seems to have inherited the boo boys mantle and they got on his case quite a lot tonight and you could see it having a really negative effect. We dont need that and with money being tight, new recruits may well be hard to find this window and NB may be required to play the rest of the campaign as our lead striker. We have to get shot of this booing players now and get behind him. He was poor 1st half but I thought he played really well for the second 45 and it was his excellent run and pass that set Sessegnon up for that crucial 3rd goal, when we were under the cosh a bit. He is a confidence palyer just like the others but we sapped his confidence tonight imo, not helped it

    Lets get behind ALL the players now under MoN as we dont want to spoil such a magnificent start. It was noticeable that EVERY player went to Bendtner first before Sess for that goal o congratulate him so they really like their colleague but he was very visibly had down himself. Thats not a Sunderland crowd away from home so lets put that right next time lads.
     
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  2. Poyet's Eleven

    Poyet's Eleven Well-Known Member

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    Did they actually boo? Or was it just moaning and groaning? Maybe it's what he needs to get him going because he can awfully lazy sometimes. If they booed him then that's just terrible.

    I know we should be staying grounded, but it's really hard not to get carried away. I think it's more than just survival we're destined for this season.

    I'm just trying to take each game as it comes and hopefully we'll be sitting in the top half come the end of the season.
     
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  3. the falcon

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    A good shout Cest but to be fair, as you say there was an immense difference between his first and second half showings. If only he would produce the latter on a more regular basis everyone would be happy. I have no doubt that the booing is born out of frustration when we know he is capable of so much more. There have been many times since his arrival when he just has not put the required effort in. The ball is in his court, just pick up the baton as most of the others have done.:emoticon-0150-hands
     
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  4. mackemwelder

    mackemwelder Well-Known Member

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    Can't understand why anyone would want to boo one of their own players, I just don't get it, it's so negative.

    Saying that, Bendtner isn't doing himself any favours either, he was absolute pants against City and just about every other match prior to that apart from a few decent performances earlier in the season.
    He has that Kenwyn Jones look about him, he never appears to be interested and unless the ball is delivered to feet, then he just doesn't do the chasing bit. Maybe that's just his style of play, like Jones??? do we adapt to him? or does he adapt to us?

    Just as well the rest of the team are chipping in with goals eh?
     
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  5. dansafcman

    dansafcman Well-Known Member

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    Thought he was good against Man City, with the thankless task he was given. Who wants to be the lone striker when the opposition has 70% of the possession? When we did manage to get the ball to him, he held onto to it quite well imo. Ok, so he missed that sitter in the 3rd minute, but otherwise he did a decent job.
     
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  6. Sunderpitt

    Sunderpitt Well-Known Member

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    Bendtner does produce mixed opinions. When he first arrived he looked a very good player, then he most definitely went off the boil, his tendency to drift out of games and away from the action, i.e to be MIA when balls are crossed into the oppos pen area is galling to many fans.

    If MoN can focus him and if he can start scoring, as with Catts, then the fans will stop being on his back. Many Gooners were also infuriated by Bendtner also for similar reasons. He can as he did with Chitty, lead the line and hold the ball up to bring other players in, but often he goes awol and that is what drives fans (and managers wild).

    Also Cest my target is 41 points so I would like 17 more, but generally we are agreed. Chelsea will be tough but the next two home games after that are crucial!
     
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  7. poolie_mackem

    poolie_mackem Well-Known Member

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    Personally don't think it will take 40points to just about stay up I think more around the 35-36mark but 40 points would be a good start and that should be the first aim and let's get there as quickly as possible.

    Next 4games are...

    Chelsea away
    Swansea home
    Norwich home
    Stoke away

    7points plus should be the target from them 4
     
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  8. Lever Malone

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    After 20 games last season we had 27 points and were in 7th place. So we aren't that far behind and hopefully we won't have the collapse like we had from February onwards.
     
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  9. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    It wasnt out and out booing but there was nothing left to the imagination as to what they felt. Also, when he made an error or perceived error, they were chanting for Ji and you could see him shrinking in confidence massively and ?I actually felt sorry for him to be honest as I'm sure he came here looking for a fresh start.

    It was also very noticeable that when squared the ball and put it on a plate for that crucial 3rd goal, EVERY player went over to him first, including Sess. They copuld feel the animosity from the fans towards him and I felt very uncomfortable with that. As I have said many times, I desperately wanted Bruce out but during games you would never guess that at the time.

    We have to support Bendtner imo and give the lad some confidence, as we may well have him for many months yet to come. I'd rather have a motivated NB than a pissed off one. That said, he does need to up his game and stay away from the off the field incidents, as Catts has done so well since that infamous night out in Stowell Street.

    Bendtner could well end up with 15 goals by May imo and that would be a canny return wh all the team now scoring as well.
     
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  10. MackemsRule

    MackemsRule Well-Known Member

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    Cest while I agree with you up to a point about giving players stick.
    I also think and have said so before that sometimes it is warranted.
    IF I had spent my hard earned and put in the effort to travel a long distance to watch SAFC.
    I would expect nothing less from the players!
    In the old days I recall only having the effort put in by players to actually cheer, as there was very little skill.
    Standing there in the crowd wet cold and frustrated, if we saw a lack of effort from someone they got stick and deservedly so!
    I'm sorry I don't go along with this get behind players who aren't making an effort stance.
    IF they aren't making an effort they are taking up a position where another player could be making an effort.

    Also it seems the stick Bendtner took worked, as, as you say he played better second half.

    No surprise most of the chanting we used to do was the likes of "Get into them"" and "Get yer ****ing finger out"

    Lets not molly coddle these overpaid prima donnas, if they aren't earning there obscene wages.

    The ball quite literally is in the players court, you don't want stick make a ****ing effort!
     
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    I was disgusted when a few fans booed him off the pitch against Man City, there's just no place for it. You should never boo a player playing for Sunderland, what good could it possibly do?
     
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  12. murray out

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    37 pts will be enough thiis season imo
     
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  13. Topcat

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    I think 38 point's will be enough this season. As for Bendtner, I still rate him, alot of our link up play goes through the lad. More importantly he seem's to have struck up a bit of an understanding with Sess.
     
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    dansafcman Well-Known Member

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    some times a player can make all the effort possible, but if the fans (or a few of them) have decided they dont like a player they give them stick for no reason. This effects the player, especially one like Bendter - who, though he gives the impression he is full of confidence and big headed, actually needs to be given that confidence.
     
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  15. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    The really disappointing thing thiugh is it continued through the second half even whn imo, he was doing okay. Its as if the crowd have made their mind up now and just cant see any good in him, no matter how he is playing.

    I still rate the lad personally and did so before he came. If he was afforded half the love and support Ji is getting to be fair to him, I think we'd see a far better player.

    With money being tighhtish, we may not get another target man as we have Wickham to come in so its Bendtner or nowt and nowt isnt an option at all (apart from a crazy Bruce selection).
     
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    I was watching it on TV and thought it was the Wigan fans booing him for getting that free kick where Gardner scored a beauty.
     
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  17. cuteybuns

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    16 points from safety? It's a point better than that really. Our goal difference advantage is +13 on WBA, +18 on Wolves, +20 on QPR, +27 on Wigan, +18 on Blackburn and +23 on Bolton. For any of those clubs to catch us up on points isn't enough for them to overtake us. They all must beat us by a clear point.
     
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