Why do we have such a lack of non-striking goalscorers?

Hey Chappaz, **** off.

People are saying we have scored a few goals from open play. I agree with your point though, it's not enough.

 

Well you are. This is about goals from midfield and defence and you point out somebody who is going to play up front.

 

It's basically like me making a thread about Ryan Taylor being **** at defending, then you replying with:

"I think Coloccini will do great this season"

 

I know what the point was, I just pointed out the fact that Ben Arfa could score goals if we kept on playing him.

I agree with what the others are saying. Raylor 1, Cabaye 1, Jonas 1, and one goal against Everton where we forced an own goal.

I can see where Chappaz is coming from but I think the potential is there.

Also I think that Saylor could have scored a goal or two if he was allowed to do his own thing from set plays, but Pardew decided to put him at the edge of the box to head it back across goal. It got us no goals.

Saylor always looks dangerous if he's allowed to move and create his own magic in the box. Pardew wasted him just trying to use him as a target man.

 

Ben Arfa isn't a striker though. He's an attacking midfielder.

 

From open play:

Jonas - 1 in 17 apps
Raylor - 1 in 17 apps
Gosling - 1 in 5 apps
Cabaye - 1 in 17 apps

It's a bit pants to be honest. I'd really hope that this isn't the sort of ratio we'll see on a long-term basis, because we're going to end up with very little goal support from non-attacking players. This doesn't even take into account that players like Coloccini, Simpson, Obertan, Tiote and so on have yet to score anything, and may not score for a while yet (if at all).

 

It's probably because we've put in so much effort trying to assist Ba.

The fact that Cabaye only has 1 goal isn't to do with his lack of quality, It is beyond me how he only has 1 goal in the league so far. He's hit so many cracking shots but the keepers have unfortunately pulled off amazing saves.

 

When we have had corners Collo and Taylor have tried to get on the end of them, just havent had the luck.

Maybe it's just me but I think that our midfielders are afraid to have a shot then rely on strikers to much.

 

It isn't good enough I agree. I'm surprised Guthrie didn't score in his spell to be honest. None of our midfielders score enough, especially the wingers.

 

The potential is there with Cabaye, I can't see him not scoring at least another 2/3. Gosling gets into some great positions, and Vuckic has a good shot on him as well.

 

If you look at his stats he's not really prolific for an attacking/creative mid. On average (apart from 2009/2010) he scores 3/4 goals. He's already set his second best total for assists in a league after 17 games.

 

This!

At the minute this is worry for worry's sake!

Granted IF when Ba goes to ACoN and no one steps up, but when Best has been the main striker he has scored, when Ben Arfa has played, he has scored. We're a threat from direct freekicks and have pace on the break. SO whilst we will need other players to step it up when Ba goes, on the evidence of last season, I think they can and will!

At the end of the day we've got defenders who can defend for the first time in years and when we have a proper starting line up with 2 CBs we have a strong defensive record. Would you really want to risk pushing players forward at the risk of conceding goals on the break?

 

In terms of assists, that doesn't mean he hasn't created enough, assists technically just means who got the 2nd last touch. You can still play your part without getting many direct assists. Like Jonas. He plays more of a part in goals that his assist tallies sometimes suggest. Same as Cabaye.

Creativity isn't all just about assist tallies.

Goals, well, he's only 24 and has had more than one injury. If he gets a long run in our team I think he could score 7/8 goals in a seasons worth of games, which would be a good amount.

 

You're such a helmet man.

READ THE THREAD. I'm talking about NON-ATTACKING-PLAYERS. Ben Arfa is part of an ATTACKING SETUP behind the striker. He's basically a notch below being a fully fledged second striker.

I'm going to repeat this five more times so it sinks in:

I'm talking about non-attacking players
I'm talking about non-attacking players
I'm talking about non-attacking players
I'm talking about non-attacking players

Who said anything about lack of quality? I've just been asking WHY there have been a lack of goals. The only thing you've said in response to that is 'it's beyond me' which is about as helpful as aids.

 

lol why don't you bother reading my full comments you fat ****.

It hasn't happened too often yet that our midfielders and defenders pop up with goals, but I'm sure that when Ba goes, Pardew will say to the rest of the players, create things yet but have a go yourself.

Ba is currently the 2nd best striker in the league in terms of his current form. He's red hot, so I'm sure the rest of the team would, at the moment, rather give the ball to Ba than have a go themselves as Ba is the player that is most likely to score when he has the ball.

Fat ****ing helmet piece of ****!

 

just as an example - how close has colo come though? he's hit the post a fair few times and had a couple of keepers pull off wonder saves

it's not as if our 'non striking players' aren't getting into positions. THAT would be far more worrying

 

Yeah, Pardew knows where our strengths lie - we don't neccesarily need to push up at corners and risk conceding as we know with patience Ba will get a goal - without Ba's threat, we will modify our style of play - perhaps go back to the 3 pronged attack from corners (3 players stood close together then splitting off attacking 3 different areas of the opponents box) we did it all the time under Hughton with Colo, Williamson and Carroll all getting results - this could in theory become a tactic again!

 

obertan couldnt find the net if his life depended on it ,fair does he had a nice swift pass the other day but that will be his moment of glory for us

 

hey chappaz you only repeated it four times for him lad

 

Because strikers are expensive and we can't afford them.