Transfer Rumours transfer thread fact and fiction

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PowerSpurs said:
Since ENIC took over only three clubs outside the the then Sky 4 have finished in one of the top three places in the PL. Spurs, Manchester City and Leicester. No club other than those and the previous Sky 4 has won two trophies. Leicester are now two divisions down. ENIC are therefore easily the best performer as an owner except Man City. Arsenal, Man Utd and Chelsea are all doing worse than when ENIC took over. That's the evidence that says ENIC have been a better than average owner. As you say, any new owner will have no track record at all so it isn't logical to expect them to be better than average.
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We’re no longer above average though. We’ve finished 17th twice and been in a steady decline for around 7-8 years. We were very close to being a division down ourselves this season. Chelsea aren’t doing worse than when ENIC took over either. They’ve enjoyed their best spell of success over the ENIC period.

I think the majority of fans are tired of the regression from the club and it’s been exacerbated by the rise in costs to us along with seeing smaller clubs continuously finish above us. We’re being charged more money for a poorer product. I’m pretty sure I said to you a couple years ago that this level of fan disdain would soon come too if things didn’t change. There’s only so long fans will take being exploited. ENIC have used up all their good grace and some from their first 15 or so years. Everything comes to an end at some point and I think they’ve reached theirs.
 
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PowerSpurs said:
The recent poor finishes can be explained entirely by injuries.
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Sorry, but <doh><doh><doh><doh><doh><doh>
Of course a 6th best team will not win as many trophies as those above, but I reckon our return over 25 years does not truly match that of the 6th best team. Two trophies this Century, a LC and EL - in value terms those wins fall below Leicester (1x PL and 1x FAC).

Injuries certainly impacted the last 12 months but the club had ample opportunity to negate that impact. They didn't....
 
Left on the Shelf said:
Sorry, but <doh><doh><doh><doh><doh><doh>
Of course a 6th best team will not win as many trophies as those above, but I reckon our return over 25 years does not truly match that of the 6th best team. Two trophies this Century, a LC and EL - in value terms those wins fall below Leicester (1x PL and 1x FAC).

Injuries certainly impacted the last 12 months but the club had ample opportunity to negate that impact. They didn't....
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If you look across the leagues, and also across other sports then the top 3 win most of the trophies, numbers 4 and 5 win occasionally and the 6th best is indistinguishable from those below in number of major trophy wins. The easiest one to check is how many times the sixth seed has won a tennis grand slam.
Quality usually wins out but occasionally luck does. Sixth isn't high enough to win on quality and has no real advantage on luck.

The accounts will show that we were at our spending limit. I actually suspect we had to sell Brennan Johnson to stay within it. So I don't think we had any opportunity to do more about the injury crisis. What opportunities were there without spending more money?
 
PowerSpurs said:
If you look across the leagues, and also across other sports then the top 3 win most of the trophies, numbers 4 and 5 win occasionally and the 6th best is indistinguishable from those below in number of major trophy wins. The easiest one to check is how many times the sixth seed has won a tennis grand slam.
Quality usually wins out but occasionally luck does. Sixth isn't high enough to win on quality and has no real advantage on luck.

The accounts will show that we were at our spending limit. I actually suspect we had to sell Brennan Johnson to stay within it. So I don't think we had any opportunity to do more about the injury crisis. What opportunities were there without spending more money?
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So it comes down to financial mismanagement (as far as the fans are concerned) then, in prioritising the stadium redevelopment etc over the growth of a football club.
They didn't account for the 'rainy days' of a glut of significant injuries, the fallout from global financial pressures and the dramatic overspending on some bang average transferees....
Either way, to blame our last two years of frankly appalling PL performances on those injuries without factoring in the corporate decisions that left us financially vulnerable is a tad disingenuous surely?
 
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You would all find it much easier to put up with the ups and downs of being a Spurs supporter if you had realistic ambitions.
If we are the sixth richest club we are likely to have the sixth best team, sixth best coach, sixth best DoF and sixth best medical team. The distribution of points per season we have had under ENIC is entirely consistent with being sixth best.
If we were worse than expected at choosing managers, players, DoFs or medical staff as is often claimed on here then there would be evidence of this.
 
Left on the Shelf said:
So it comes down to financial mismanagement (as far as the fans are concerned) then, in prioritising the stadium redevelopment etc over the growth of a football club.
They didn't account for the 'rainy days' of a glut of significant injuries, the fallout from global financial pressures and the dramatic overspending on some bang average transferees....
Either way, to blame our last two years of frankly appalling PL performances on those injuries without factoring in the corporate decisions that left us financially vulnerable is a bad disingenuous surely?
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But without the stadium redevelopment we would have much lower limits on expenditure and be much more vulnerable to being overtaken financially.
 
PowerSpurs said:
You would all find it much easier to put up with the ups and downs of being a Spurs supporter if you had realistic ambitions.
If we are the sixth richest club we are likely to have the sixth best team, sixth best coach, sixth best DoF and sixth best medical team. The distribution of points per season we have had under ENIC is entirely consistent with being sixth best.
If we were worse than expected at choosing managers, players, DoFs or medical staff as is often claimed on here then there would be evidence of this.
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I'm sure that there is some rationale there, but not sure that it answers my point that from a position of relative strength (regular Top4 / CL Finalists etc) in 18/19 we are now struggling to maintain a PL place because of in part a financial overspend that entirely and somewhat predictably left us unable to manage a few long term injuries.
 
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Left on the Shelf said:
I'm sure that there is some rationale there, but not sure that it answers my point that from a position of relative strength (regular Top4 / CL Finalists etc) in 18/19 we are now struggling to maintain a PL place because of in part a financial overspend that entirely and somewhat predictably left us unable to manage a few long term injuries.
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The simple answer is somewhere between 2017 and 2022 we stopped being proactive and instead became reactive

That's been magnified by far too many seasons where we're putting out one fire or another instead of building something which isn't going to catch fire in the first place ever since
 
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Left on the Shelf said:
I'm sure that there is some rationale there, but not sure that it answers my point that from a position of relative strength (regular Top4 / CL Finalists etc) in 18/19 we are now struggling to maintain a PL place because of in part a financial overspend that entirely and somewhat predictably left us unable to manage a few long term injuries.
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I don't think keeping cash in the bank as a contingency in case of issues is the right strategy either though. We may have made the mistake of underestimating the worst case outcome on prize money.
 
Solid Air said:
i'm the lunatic as i'm watching England "play football" and you lot think Spurs are bad and make poor managerial decisions

cue a Kane goal from a Spence cross <laugh>

@remembercolinlee chalk 1 up for me :1980_boogie_down:
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I’m not hopeful of England’s chance of winning this World Cup and think Tuchel is the wrong choice but always happy to be wrong. Every nation has weaknesses so you never know.
 
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