Transfer Rumours transfer thread fact and fiction
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I wonder how much more would have been worth, if he hadn't run it so badly in the last 10 years?
Yes it's an absolute disaster to increase the value of the club by 50 times while delivering our best ever run of League positions and getting us to the Champions League final.
ENIC would have taken half that at the time they bought us.
Even though we all pretty much knew the Robertson deal was done for a while, the clip today of RDZ talking about how excited he is to have him was clearly shot at the same time as his end of season summary video from a couple weeks ago, so the deal was definitely done a while back.
I’d imagine it’s the same for Senesi. I know I’m in danger of RCL’ing it but I reckon Senesi’s 100% a Tottenham player, just a waiting game for the club to announce it.
I’d imagine it’s the same for Senesi. I know I’m in danger of RCL’ing it but I reckon Senesi’s 100% a Tottenham player, just a waiting game for the club to announce it.
If he hadn't failed in his role, his own business partners wouldn't have sacked him...would they?
Even if he was the fall guy for ENIC, the owners were clearly aware that he had built up enough of a reputation to be a valid fall guy as far as the fans are concerned.
They now have no one else to blame so they are OUT next
hopefully
They now have no one else to blame so they are OUT next
hopefully
They took the easy route of sacking the guy they thought would be popular with the fans while not understanding what the real issue was.
As usual you resort to insults rather than logic.
If you want to explain what was incorrect in my post feel free.
Still making the same mistake of assuming some random new owner will be better despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Might not be better
I don't see the new owners being any worse though because we, the fans, won't allow it to get any worse. Our current owners despite some high points in the journey have neglected us into two consecutive 17th place finishes as things stand.
New owners would have 25 years to try to win 4 trophies to surpass ENIC. They would have entered between 75 and 100 tournaments in that time...a top 6 club with that 'success' rate is very very poor.
It's a low bar imo.
I don’t think there’s really any evidence to prove if a new owner would be better or not, largely because 99% of new owners are going to be first time club owners, so you can’t judge based off of their past as there is none.
I think what it boils down to is are fans in full belief and trust of the current ownership? I’d say that nowadays especially, 90% of the fan base would say no and therefore rather someone new comes in.
I know that you are dying on this hill, no matter what...
but claiming that ENIC (effectively run by Tavistock's people, an enormous, financially successful, world-wide entity) don't understand the issues at the heart of the club...and sacked the bloke that did, to appeal to a fan base that they've shown next to no concern for in the previous quarter of a century, is quite a stretch...even for you.
The simpler and true reason is that ex-COYS Daniel has been in decline for a decade, making poor decision, after awful decision, after dreadful decision, pissing away a fortune and royally ****ed the club...Just as I've been telling you for years...and they had to sack him...Just as I told you they would.
If you look at any sport, the sixth best competitor rarely wins anything. The recent poor finishes can be explained entirely by injuries.
The thing that Levy understood about football that most fans don't seem to is that money is by far the most important driver of success. ENIC didn't have enough money to buy success the Man City or Chelsea way so they went for an organic growth plan. It worked very well but not quite well enough.
It is possible that a new owner might do better but the only route they have is unlocking the stadium covenants. That requires about a £1b of investment with negative financial payback. So we need a Spurs supporting billionaire who doesn't mind splurging his money for no return other than glory on the field. If such a person existed they would have bought us already.
That quote has long been taken out of context
While it is true it was said, it wasn't said about Spurs: it was from the time ENIC had a stake in Rangers - who won three titles in a row after they bought in
You honestly don't think 'fanboy' and accusing me of arselicking are insulting?How is that insulting?
Logic?
Well the new Chairman has no football experience at all and the new CEO has not communicated anything that suggests he has a plan to change anything that will actually influence results. Our only real hope is that de Zerbi is the real deal and that we have a return to fewer injuries and better recruitment.
What do you think the new management team are doing that will actually make a difference?
Since ENIC took over only three clubs outside the the then Sky 4 have finished in one of the top three places in the PL. Spurs, Manchester City and Leicester. No club other than those and the previous Sky 4 has won two trophies. Leicester are now two divisions down. ENIC are therefore easily the best performer as an owner except Man City. Arsenal, Man Utd and Chelsea are all doing worse than when ENIC took over. That's the evidence that says ENIC have been a better than average owner. As you say, any new owner will have no track record at all so it isn't logical to expect them to be better than average.
For starters, as you well knkow, Charrington is a non-executive chairman. Unlike Daniel, he's not 'running' the show and makes no claim (nor does he need) to have any football knowledge. If Daniel had done more of that and less interfering in areas that he shouldn't have, he'd probably not have pulled in a ridiculous salary for making awful decisions and not needed sacking.
The new owners took over a dumpster fire. Levy appointed an unsuitable coach (natch), bought largely overpaid, mediocre players, recruited 2 DoF's who didn't have the chops to do the job, with an academy that produces nice young boys who aren't of the required standard and oversaw a medical set-up that Florence Nightingale would roll her eyes at.
It's widely accepted that the Lewis trust fund kids wanted Frank out long before Levy's boys, VV and Lange, did and that Paratici came up with Igor...but they gave those with the jobs having responsibility for such decisions (given to them by DL) their head. It didn't work, but it is the right method, they just need to ensure that they have the right people in post, now that they can pick a candidate,
That's where we are...waiting to see. Conceivably, it is possible that things get worse without DL...but I'd be ****ing amazed if they did. The club will be run better (it's hard to imagine how it could possibly be worse) and the ship will be turned around (to some extent), but I'm not delusional enough to believe that this isn't a Herculean task. DL's MO was to create a corporate structure where he interfered in everything, to (in his head, at least) to make himself indispensable...and it FAILED COMPREHENSIVELY.
I will judge the new regime on decisions made...not prejudices held...you could give that a go...?
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