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I don't know if anyone has been following the Nottingham inquiry into the three killed on the train, but the failings in the system are even worse than those surrounding the Nowak case. Several different official bodies admit that the race of the perpetrator affected how he was dealt with in the months prior to events. It was all very avoidable.

There are numerous others being mentioned too.

The system needs ripping apart and rebuilding.
 
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DMD said:
I don't know if anyone has been following the Nottingham inquiry into the three killed on the train, but the failings in the system are even worse than those surrounding the Nowak case.

There are numerous others being mentioned too.

The system needs ripping apart and rebuilding.
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Do you mean the 2 students and the other man who where murdered in Nottingham streets.?
 
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“We do not want his death to be used to create further division, hatred or tension. We want his story to help make our streets safer for everyone.
“That is why we are calling on the Government to treat knife crime as the national emergency it is. We need real solutions. We need investment in prevention. We need stronger action on the sale, ownership and carrying of all knives.''

Isn't it 'interesting' that pretty much all the focus (from politicians, media, on here even) is on the 1st sentence.
Of course the family don't want further hatred, riots or whatever. It shouldn't even need to be said.
My point is, why is the focus not being put on the rest of what was said? That's where real action is clearly being called for by the family, and rightly so.
Why aren't politicians, media, commentators repeating and acting on those bits? Why the selective use of the family's comment?
How many more lives need to be lost and family's wrecked? What's it going to take?
We all know why there's selective focus on the 1st sentence and not the rest of the statement - a) because it's easy to just real off the sentitments and the platitudes around it, without actually having to do anything in practice, b) because repeating the 1st sentence serves as an attempt to quiet / silence / discredit those brave or sensible enough to call for the necessary action, and c) because it would mean having to target and upset certain 'demographics'.
The family's comments are spot on.
It all ****ing stinks.
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Tbh I have seen much commentary on this as I’ve not watched telly much since.
I quoted the first sentence but that in no way means I don’t think the second sentence is important.
Knife crime is reducing slightly, and injuries caused by knives is reducing even more, but it’s still a fact that nearly half of murders in the UK are due to knives or other sharp objects.
It feels to me, although as I’ve said I haven’t seen that much, that some people relish the idea of jumping on the issue of Sikhs being allowed to carry knives, not because they genuinely think banning that would help significantly, but because they believe it plays out well with their potential voters (all politicians of all types do that type of thing sadly)
Personally I’d have no problem with a total ban on any knives over a certain length (ideally the length of the leatherman I often carry!) not being carried apart from when needed for work, regardless of religious and cultural reasons. So ban Sikhs and Scottish sock daggers by all means. (Mind you I’d ban halal meat purely on animal cruelty reasons too as I see animal, including human, rights more important than religious freedom.)
Of course all recent Govts will say they have focussed on prevention, and can point to slight reductions as evidence, and there have been things put in place to make buying more difficult although that should be strengthened. But I doubt either makes much difference to some hardcore.
I’m not familiar enough with the sentences for carrying knives/machetes etc but even without knowing what they are you can happily double them for me. Worse case they’re off the streets longer and hopefully that would act as a disincentive too.
So do all that, of course, but don’t use anything like this for political gain IMO.
 
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dennisboothstash said:
I can see that trust going (or gone) too, but I also see politicians using his death to stoke further division between communities as well because they think that helps their party gain votes
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I can see exactly where you are coming from and I feel exactly the same.This young man's life should not under any circumstances become a political football.That to me is out of bounds and extremely disrespectful to his grieving family,it's heart breaking to see their grief,they will never get over this,how can they.

The man who stabbed him is nothing short of inhumane and a callous liar to boot but here's the thing.The general feeling I'm picking up now,even within my own family, is that the vast majority of people appalled by this incident are appalled at the Police treatment of a dying man.
 
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Ric Glasgow said:
I can see exactly where you are coming from and I feel exactly the same.This young man's life should not under any circumstances become a political football.That to me is out of bounds and extremely disrespectful to his grieving family,it's heart breaking to see their grief,they will never get over this,how can they.

The man who stabbed him is nothing short of inhumane and a callous liar to boot but here's the thing.The general feeling I'm picking up now,even within my own family, is that the vast majority of people appalled by this incident are appalled at the Police treatment of a dying man.
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I agree with everything you’re saying here
 
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dennisboothstash said:
Tbh I have seen much commentary on this as I’ve not watched telly much since.
I quoted the first sentence but that in no way means I don’t think the second sentence is important.
Knife crime is reducing slightly, and injuries caused by knives is reducing even more, but it’s still a fact that nearly half of murders in the UK are due to knives or other sharp objects.
It feels to me, although as I’ve said I haven’t seen that much, that some people relish the idea of jumping on the issue of Sikhs being allowed to carry knives, not because they genuinely think banning that would help significantly, but because they believe it plays out well with their potential voters (all politicians of all types do that type of thing sadly)
Personally I’d have no problem with a total ban on any knives over a certain length (ideally the length of the leatherman I often carry!) not being carried apart from when needed for work, regardless of religious and cultural reasons. So ban Sikhs and Scottish sock daggers by all means. (Mind you I’d ban halal meat purely on animal cruelty reasons too as I see animal, including human, rights more important than religious freedom.)
Of course all recent Govts will say they have focussed on prevention, and can point to slight reductions as evidence, and there have been things put in place to make buying more difficult although that should be strengthened. But I doubt either makes much difference to some hardcore.
I’m not familiar enough with the sentences for carrying knives/machetes etc but even without knowing what they are you can happily double them for me. Worse case they’re off the streets longer and hopefully that would act as a disincentive too.
So do all that, of course, but don’t use anything like this for political gain IMO.
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Agree with nearly all of that (including animal rights).
But, tbf, I haven't seen or heard hardly any political point scoring related to the issue of Sikhs being allowed to carry knives (and I've now seen and heard a lot). The political and the publics comments that I assume you are alluding to have been pretty much all to do with 2 tier policing, bias against whites; not even blaming the officers themselves, more the whole DEI industry that led to officers believing the cry of racism ahead of the needs of an innocent young white person dying who repeatedly said I've been stabbed and I can't breathe whilst being hand cuffed even though he clearly wasn't in a fit state to be a threat to anyone.
As DMD posts, the system needs ripping apart and rebuilding.
 
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Ric Glasgow said:
I can see exactly where you are coming from and I feel exactly the same.This young man's life should not under any circumstances become a political football.That to me is out of bounds and extremely disrespectful to his grieving family,it's heart breaking to see their grief,they will never get over this,how can they.

The man who stabbed him is nothing short of inhumane and a callous liar to boot but here's the thing.The general feeling I'm picking up now,even within my own family, is that the vast majority of people appalled by this incident are appalled at the Police treatment of a dying man.
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The man who murdered Henry Nowak and lied that he was the victim of a racist attack is facing new weapons charges – along with his dad and brother.
Vickrum Digwa, who was jailed for life on Monday, faces six counts of possessing an offensive weapon in a private place.
The 23-year-old's dad, Moga Singh, 52, and brother, Gurpreet Digwa, 27, are accused of the same charges, while Gurpreet Digwa faces four additional counts. The charges include possessing an axe, air rifle and knife.
The fresh charges come after a flick knife, extendable baton, knuckledusters, a machete, swords and kusaris were allegedly found.
The three defendants are due to appear in court this afternoon. Meanwhile, Gigwa’s mum, Kiran Kaur, is awaiting sentencing for assisting an offender by taking the knife used to kill Henry to the family home. The 53-year-old will be sentenced on July 17.
 
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Spring, what would you do if you were in a pub with your wife and children, enjoying an alcoholic beverage, when five elderly men walk in and take off their clothes and start moving from table to table, interrupting conversations and making it all about their nakedness. You, the other patrons and the publican have politely told them that they're welcome in the pub, but to keep their clothes on, even wearing shorts, thongs and a singlet would be acceptable, but if they can't remain clothed, there is an establishment just down the road that will not only cater to their nude needs, it will positively welcome them.

Every time they're ejected from the pub, they start screaming that the other customers are prejudice towards their nudity and don't want to open their eyes and look at the naked elderly men, not taking any responsibility for their garment shedding and putting all the blame on the brewery which has been called in to investigate the incident.

Would you support the five pensioner perverts or would you very firmly state that the pub you had chosen was not the right place for elderly nudists?
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Jesus where did that convoluted idea come from ? I come from an age group that is predominantly ‘decent ‘ unlike other age groups . Personally I’d tell them to dress or I’d chuck them out myself and expect the staff in the pub to assist . That’s such a bizarre tale you are trying way too hard on the age thing . There is NO excuse for behaving in a way that offends decent people whatever age they would have no rights in my opinion to behave in the way they did .
tBH you and may others on this site need to put a lot more thought and venom into more serious matters
 
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Gone For A Walk said:
Agree with nearly all of that (including animal rights).
But, tbf, I haven't seen or heard hardly any political point scoring related to the issue of Sikhs being allowed to carry knives (and I've now seen and hard a lot). The political comments that I assume you are alluding to have been pretty much all to do with 2 tier policing, bias against whites; not even blaming the officers themselves, more the whole DEI industry that led to officers believing the cry of racism ahead of the needs of an innocent young white person dying who repeatedly said I've been stabbed and I can't breathe whilst being hand cuffed even though he clearly wasn't in a fit state to be a threat to anyone.
As DMD posts, the system needs ripping apart and rebuilding.
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As I said I’ve only seen snippets.
I do wonder about the quality of Police recruits though, particularly when they were desperate to employ new ones to not lose the massive budget increases they got for them only a few years ago.
The frame of mind/temperament and reason for wanting to do that job in the first place should be subject to proper scrutiny.
I also think the big questions (or some of them anyway) should be asked of the College of Policing. As I understand it they set the rules of engagement for many locally adopted policies.
Someone’s race or colour should be irrelevant to the Police. It was very much the other way round decades ago but if decisions are impacted by individuals wanting to avoid allegations of racism that needs resolving. (And again I’d question the temperament and quality of any who were genuinely affected like that)
 
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TIGERSCAVE said:
The man who murdered Henry Nowak and lied that he was the victim of a racist attack is facing new weapons charges – along with his dad and brother.
Vickrum Digwa, who was jailed for life on Monday, faces six counts of possessing an offensive weapon in a private place.
The 23-year-old's dad, Moga Singh, 52, and brother, Gurpreet Digwa, 27, are accused of the same charges, while Gurpreet Digwa faces four additional counts. The charges include possessing an axe, air rifle and knife.
The fresh charges come after a flick knife, extendable baton, knuckledusters, a machete, swords and kusaris were allegedly found.
The three defendants are due to appear in court this afternoon. Meanwhile, Gigwa’s mum, Kiran Kaur, is awaiting sentencing for assisting an offender by taking the knife used to kill Henry to the family home. The 53-year-old will be sentenced on July 17.
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Is falsely claiming racial abuse a crime? Going by the way the police acted I presume the way the police are taught and instructed influences their subsequent actions. If you see what I mean.
 
springtiger said:
Jesus where did that convoluted idea come from ? I come from an age group that is predominantly ‘decent ‘ unlike other age groups . Personally I’d tell them to dress or I’d chuck them out myself and expect the staff in the pub to assist . That’s such a bizarre tale you are trying way too hard on the age thing . There is NO excuse for behaving in a way that offends decent people whatever age they would have no rights in my opinion to behave in the way they did .
tBH you and may others on this site need to put a lot more thought and venom into more serious matters
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He's got some sort of axe to grind with anyone older than him and he uses it as a big stick to beat people of a certain age...

No big deal to me really,he's making an @rse of himself on a regular basis.
 
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