Off Topic HKR/HFC Having a bad day

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they were as bad as they were in Las Vegas - possible reasons - very hot temperatures, maybe Rovers players are older and less fit- or perhaps playing very good teams and less hunger now they have the trophies than when they were fighting for the trophies - either way some players failed to perform yesterday - Lewis was playing injured most of the match and was anonymous most of the time

wondering what bans they will give for the Wigan tackle on Leyland - probably the most dangerous I've ever seen, lifting him upside down and ramming his head into the floor
I think Wigan played the conditions much better.
Wigan were content to sap Rovers' energy in the first half and it showed.
Three quick fire Wigan scores in the second half and it was game over.
One of the few to look up for it was Tom Davies who tried hard.
 
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they were as bad as they were in Las Vegas - possible reasons - very hot temperatures, maybe Rovers players are older and less fit- or perhaps playing very good teams and less hunger now they have the trophies than when they were fighting for the trophies - either way some players failed to perform yesterday - Lewis was playing injured most of the match and was anonymous most of the time

wondering what bans they will give for the Wigan tackle on Leyland - probably the most dangerous I've ever seen, lifting him upside down and ramming his head into the floor
As an RU fan any commenting on RL games is from a position of much ignorance, but that principle doesn't stop us in most threads on this board so here goes. I thought the ref was making some odd decisions, perhaps actually trying to avoid making a difficult one. If that guy should have been sent off (for lifting the player in the first place) then Nsemba obviously should have gone for driving him into the floor. That was cowardly refereeing. Also in the first half he failed to give a yellow card for a high tackle by Wigan saying it was same as the KR one, up off the shoulder when it quite clearly wasn't.

Generally on the game, fitness and speed seemed to be the main factor, but KR didn't help themselves with being so slow to use the ball. Wigan were very quick at the play the ball, and very clear about which option they would take so that the first pass was almost always flat to a player coming at speed. KR by contrast were slow to play the ball and often were just slinging the ball back to a stationary player.
 
Not a Rugby League fan but I did see a KR fan on X and Facebook threatening to burn down an FC fan’s house and kill him and his partner. Nice that. I always hear RL fans are more ‘civilised’ than us football hooligans.
 
Not a Rugby League fan but I did see a KR fan on X and Facebook threatening to burn down an FC fan’s house and kill him and his partner. Nice that. I always hear RL fans are more ‘civilised’ than us football hooligans.
Football fans do seem to look less ogreish in general id say
 
Wigan have the RFL in their back pocket and have done for years.
It will be interesting to see what disciplinary action is taken against the two Wigan forwards for the horrendous tackle near full time.
It should be a minimum of a six game ban for each player but we shall see.
 
John Keir former Hull Fc coach passed away on the way back from the CC final on Sunday .
Very sad news
 
As an RU fan any commenting on RL games is from a position of much ignorance, but that principle doesn't stop us in most threads on this board so here goes. I thought the ref was making some odd decisions, perhaps actually trying to avoid making a difficult one. If that guy should have been sent off (for lifting the player in the first place) then Nsemba obviously should have gone for driving him into the floor. That was cowardly refereeing. Also in the first half he failed to give a yellow card for a high tackle by Wigan saying it was same as the KR one, up off the shoulder when it quite clearly wasn't.

Generally on the game, fitness and speed seemed to be the main factor, but KR didn't help themselves with being so slow to use the ball. Wigan were very quick at the play the ball, and very clear about which option they would take so that the first pass was almost always flat to a player coming at speed. KR by contrast were slow to play the ball and often were just slinging the ball back to a stationary player.

I thought between the referee and video referee they did a decent job and got pretty much everything correct.

Finals are refereed differently so the threshold for a yellow is higher, the high shot was borderline but I wouldn’t expect to see someone walk for that at Wembley. Rovers loose forward could also have also walked for a dirty third man tackle but again, not in a final.

On the tip tackle, it was bad, both players were at fault but with seemingly little intent, it’s a split second decision and they both got it wrong. No team is getting two players banned for 7 games for one tackle, it’s just not happening, so unfortunately for Walter’s, he’s taken the brunt of the punishment.
 
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I thought between the referee and video referee they did a decent job and got pretty much everything correct.

Finals are refereed differently so the threshold for a yellow is higher, the high shot was borderline but I wouldn’t expect to see someone walk for that at Wembley. Rovers loose forward could also have also walked for a dirty third man tackle but again, not in a final.

On the tip tackle, it was bad, both players were at fault but with seemingly little intent, it’s a split second decision and they both got it wrong. No team is getting two players banned for 7 games for one tackle, it’s just not happening, so unfortunately for Walter’s, he’s taken the brunt of the punishment.
I think you're wrong in both cases. The high tackle has been punished retrospectively so I presume that means it should have been yellow in the game ("he has now been handed a Grade B head contact charge and that's enough to take him over the threshold for a one-game ban"). Nsemba drove a player into the ground head first, I don't see how that gets done with 'little intent'.
 
Fc fans kicking off on Hull Live and facebook with some ridiculous posts about Hull City and our crowds in regard to the club in talks with the council and the SMC about renewing their terms for the stadium. One claiming City were only getting crowds of 500 and the HDM were told keep it quiet. Don't remember that myself, loads claiming we will soon be back in the Championship and begging Hull Fc to stay, others saying there wouldn't be a stadium without Shane Richardson? Or Hull Fc. None of them mention there wouldn't be a Hull Fc if they hadn't transferred the Gateshead Thunder franchise to Hull, then twelve months later changed the name form Gateshead Thunder trading as Hull Fc to just plain Hull Fc.
The enemy within.
 
Fc fans kicking off on Hull Live and facebook with some ridiculous posts about Hull City and our crowds in regard to the club in talks with the council and the SMC about renewing their terms for the stadium. One claiming City were only getting crowds of 500 and the HDM were told keep it quiet. Don't remember that myself, loads claiming we will soon be back in the Championship and begging Hull Fc to stay, others saying there wouldn't be a stadium without Shane Richardson? Or Hull Fc. None of them mention there wouldn't be a Hull Fc if they hadn't transferred the Gateshead Thunder franchise to Hull, then twelve months later changed the name form Gateshead Thunder trading as Hull Fc to just plain Hull Fc.
The enemy within.
There wouldn’t have been a stadium if AP hadn’t bought City. FC had been signed up for over a year but nothing happened until City committed to it.
Funny how Pat Doyle said sport played no part on his agenda when City were in danger of going out of business but said he would move heaven and earth to keep FC in Hull when Lloyd was on about moving FC to Leicester. And how Doyle became very interested in sport and getting the MKM built when FC would have gone under if it hadn’t been built. Who did Doyle support? Wasn’t he a shareholder?
 
I think you're wrong in both cases. The high tackle has been punished retrospectively so I presume that means it should have been yellow in the game ("he has now been handed a Grade B head contact charge and that's enough to take him over the threshold for a one-game ban"). Nsemba drove a player into the ground head first, I don't see how that gets done with 'little intent'.
Not everything that’s punished retrospectively should have been a yellow card, that’s not how it works. Also the disciplinary points are cumulative; the points he received for this were not enough for a ban, he already had some from a previous incident.

I don’t believe there was intent in the tackle from Nsemba, neither does the disciplinary panel, or the Rovers players. It looks bad slowed down, but speed and momentum are key mitigators.
 
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Not everything that’s punished retrospectively should have been a yellow card, that’s not how it works. Also the disciplinary points are cumulative; the points he received for this were not enough for a ban, he already had some from a previous incident.

I don’t believe there was intent in the tackle from Nsemba, neither does the disciplinary panel, or the Rovers players. It looks bad slowed down, but speed and momentum are key mitigators.
There was no intent from either Wigan player. They were 30 points up with 5 minutes to go in a cup final. It was just a case of two players getting their body shape badly wrong at the same time and it leading to a very ugly conclusion. If anyone thinks Junior would dump a player on his head theyre wrong. He is a lovely lad, no malice in him whatsoever.
 
There wouldn’t have been a stadium if AP hadn’t bought City. FC had been signed up for over a year but nothing happened until City committed to it.
Funny how Pat Doyle said sport played no part on his agenda when City were in danger of going out of business but said he would move heaven and earth to keep FC in Hull when Lloyd was on about moving FC to Leicester. And how Doyle became very interested in sport and getting the MKM built when FC would have gone under if it hadn’t been built. Who did Doyle support? Wasn’t he a shareholder?
I spoke to lots of people involved in the building of the stadium and the praise for Pat Doyle was pretty much universal. My understanding, from what others said, was that he wouldn't deal with Hinchliffe and Buchanan. For which, I can't blame him. I'm always a bit saddened to see City fans denigrate what happened with the building of the stadium to some extent. We essentially had a council build a stadium fit for the Premier League while we were in League 2. You're right that it couldn't have gone ahead as it did without City's involvement, certainly on the scale that was planned, and AP coming in was the key cog in it all from the City/FC side of things, but the lack of involvement from a City perspective before that was as much down to the people running our club, from what I was told.

I agree that the main local politicians did very little for the club in the 1990s when we were up against it. Seeing John Prescott claim to be a life-long City fan in the national media when defending the name change when we couldn't get him to do much for us in the 1990s was rough to see. I don't know anything of Doyle's allegiances to Hull FC either. But he was the main driver behind getting the stadium built. And I don't think we'd have had anything like the success we've had had over the past 20-odd years had that not happened. So I think he's in credit as far as City are concerned, is he not?
 
I spoke to lots of people involved in the building of the stadium and the praise for Pat Doyle was pretty much universal. My understanding, from what others said, was that he wouldn't deal with Hinchliffe and Buchanan. For which, I can't blame him. I'm always a bit saddened to see City fans denigrate what happened with the building of the stadium to some extent. We essentially had a council build a stadium fit for the Premier League while we were in League 2. You're right that it couldn't have gone ahead as it did without City's involvement, certainly on the scale that was planned, and AP coming in was the key cog in it all from the City/FC side of things, but the lack of involvement from a City perspective before that was as much down to the people running our club, from what I was told.

I agree that the main local politicians did very little for the club in the 1990s when we were up against it. Seeing John Prescott claim to be a life-long City fan in the national media when defending the name change when we couldn't get him to do much for us in the 1990s was rough to see. I don't nknow anything of Doyle's allegiances to Hull FC either. But he was the main driver behind getting the stadium built. And I don't think we'd have had anything like the success we've had had over the past 20-odd years had that not happened. So I think he's in credit as far as City are concerned, is he not?
I believe at the time the biggest objectors to the project where the Lib Dem councillors.
They wanted the money to be used in different projects .
 
I believe at the time the biggest objectors to the project where the Lib Dem councillors.
They wanted the money to be used in different projects .
I remember them being critical of it after they won leadership of the council but I don't recall what they were doing at the time. Looking through my notes, Andy Daykin (involved with the club when Hinchliffe/Buchanan were there) told me there was a meeting that he attended that both FC and KR attended as all three clubs were due to share the stadium at one point. Imagine the state of the pitch if that had happened!

Lots of good things have happened to Hull over the past 25 years, but I would argue that a key catalyst for that was the new stadium and the Deep. Both didn't seem right in Hull at the time. I think it's easy to forget how outlandishly ambitious both seemed for a city that had had the life sucked out of it for 30 years or so. I'm aware that there will have been rubbish councils and councillors in that time, I'm not here to defend them, but building both the KC and the Deep seemed to reverse Hull's fortunes, and I'm grateful that they happened.
 
I believe at the time the biggest objectors to the project where the Lib Dem councillors.
They wanted the money to be used in different projects .
Simone Butterworth, Lib Dem leader, called the proposed stadium 'a white elephant'. They won the next HCC election, and the two-faced git performed the opening ceremony of the stadium. :emoticon-0138-think


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