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LockStock said:
Yildiz apparently wants to stay at Juve.



Are you guys saying that if you were the DOF, and De Zerbi says he needs a LW amongst other players to balance the squad, you're gonna tell him that he must do without and wait, even if he'd rather a Savinho than go without? All because we're simply not attractive enough for Diomande [One of my choices], Yildiz or Leao?

Bear in mind that Savinho and Summerville both have PL experience, which could also be a prime criteria for De Zerbi.

Doesn't that sound exactly like how they did Frank in January after leaving the left wing bare after Son?

Didn't you hear the urgency in De Zerbi's message about the club needing to rebalance the squad with top players because they've suffered enough? Also that he needs his players before the pre-season?

If Moore was ready I'm sure he'd be back in the squad instead of doing a another Rangers loan season, which is being reported.

Personally I'd be glad for any LW that De Zerbi actually approves of working with and that he sees as capable for what he requires. Ndiaye, Savinho, Summerville or anyone else. I almost don't care now, as long as the manager approves.

What we can't do is dick about all the way through the window unsuccessfully trying to convince players that don't wanna come, instead of getting business done early with players that actually want to play for the club and work with the manager now.

This idea of PL players not being good enough for Tottenham is rich in my opinion, especially when we just had our narrow escape.

I don't understand the mentality.



P.S. The "Gallagher signing almost causing us relegation" is one of the wildest takes I've seen on here.

Crazy work.

We lost Son and Johnson, two of our highest goal contributors last season and didn't replace the goals or assists. That had much more to do with relegation form than Gallagher coming in. As did the injury list, and the poor management.
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Yes, I am saying that.

The job of a good DoF, and the clue is in the title, is to be the manager's eyes and ears. The relationship usually breaks down for one of two reasons:

Either the manager wants to do everything his way and rejects all players offered to him simply because he didn't have the idea (Poch was guilty of this towards the end which is why his final transfer window was the most disastrous in the club's history).

Or the DoF simple ignores the manager entirely and sets the whole recruitment agenda himself. Damien Commolli was guilty of this and is the reason everything collapsed under BMJ and then Ramos.

In an ideal world, there is a healthy synergy between the two men, with both respecting eachother's right to veto certain decisions. So the DoF shouldn't sign players without the manager's blessing; but the manager should also respect the fact that the DoF is paid to look at the club's long term future as opposed to the typically very short shelf life of a PL manager, and he can therefore push back against signings who don't obviously fit in with that vision.

This balance isn't impossible. Several PL clubs manage it with apparently minimal fuss, including several who are bigger and better than us (Arsenal, City and until last year Liverpool). The big clubs who don't have this balance are the ones who have badly underperformed: us, Chelsea and United.
 
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SarrMan said:
Surely it only matters what the manager thinks though and if they sign off on it then on their head be it.

Personally I don’t see a massive upgrade with Summerville but I genuinely don’t know on savinho, there must have been something there for city to originally buy him but he’s barely played so hardly seen anything of him and they upgraded to semenyo pretty quickly but obviously the standards at city are a lot different to our current standards.
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Building a team solely around the wishes of the manager is a very bad idea in the modern game. The average tenure of a PL manager is just over two years. With Klopp recently leaving, Pep leaving this year, and us, Forest and Chelsea churning through three managers in a year, that number is projected to drop massively come next summer. In fact the LMA are predicting that it will be as little as ten months.

That said, pursuing players based on the manager's wishes can only work if you keep appointing managers with broadly the same playing style. But if you go from Poch to Jose/Nuno/Conte to Ange to Frank to RDZ, you're not just changing manager every year or so, you're changing style and philosophy...

Which is how you end up with a disjointed, unbalanced squad stacked with players who don't look suited to the roles they are asked to play. Which is a summary of THFC right now.
 
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SarrMan said:
I would hope the manager signs off on any player lined up to come into the first team squad. De Zerbi doesn’t seem the kind of guy to just stick around and take what’s given to him. I would assume they sit down with him and go through the players we’ve already scouted and think are available and gettable.

Where I do agree with you though and maybe it’s just my football manager head speaking but you’d think a club like us would have a long list of players from all around the world to look at potential buys from.
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Jose never wanted Rodon amongst others and Conte didn’t want Spence. They’re even crazier/ strong-willed than De Zerbi, I wouldn’t put it past this club to be targeting a player like Summerville because he’s a cheaper option than someone with pedigree. Everything about him especially screams mediocrity and we’ve got so much of that already.

Savinho hasn’t been able to do much in a City side littered with quality players. A goal and assist in the league this season when you’ve got Haaland to aim for is shoddy work. Taking their scraps just feels desperate.

I just wanna see us act like the big club we are. I think a lot of people at the club and even some fans forget it too. Spurs are huge. We may not be one of the elites but we’re in the next bracket after it yet many times we seem to have the mindset of a West Ham/ Everton etc.
 
Dier Hard said:
Jose never wanted Rodon amongst others and Conte didn’t want Spence. They’re even crazier/ strong-willed than De Zerbi, I wouldn’t put it past this club to be targeting a player like Summerville because he’s a cheaper option than someone with pedigree. Everything about him especially screams mediocrity and we’ve got so much of that already.

Savinho hasn’t been able to do much in a City side littered with quality players. A goal and assist in the league this season when you’ve got Haaland to aim for is shoddy work. Taking their scraps just feels desperate.

I just wanna see us act like the big club we are. I think a lot of people at the club and even some fans forget it too. Spurs are huge. We may not be one of the elites but we’re in the next bracket after it yet many times we seem to have the mindset of a West Ham/ Everton etc.
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That’s not changing until the club is sold imo.

The owners won’t go all out. They’ll always find an excuse not to.

They talk the talk but won’t walk the walk imo.
 
KingHotspur said:
That’s not changing until the club is sold imo.

The owners won’t go all out. They’ll always find an excuse not to.

They talk the talk but won’t walk the walk imo.
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Fans still need to be demanding of them though. They’re happy charging us amongst the highest prices in Europe, we should be demanding they spend as such on quality players.

Not City rejects or double relegation players.
 
It's bonkers to argue that the manager should also be in charge of player recruitment. Sure they should have a voice in the conversation, but the whole point of a DoF is to have someone who doesn't have to coach and improve 25+ players over a season of 50+ games, as well as dealing with injuries, tours, and endless media duties.

Bottom line is a good manager should hardly have any time to get involved with player recruitment. He should brief the DoF on the profile he'd like to coach, and then let the latter get on with his job.
 
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Dier Hard said:
Fans still need to be demanding of them though. They’re happy charging us amongst the highest prices in Europe, we should be demanding they spend as such on quality players.

Not City rejects or double relegation players.
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I just wish they would sign the best two players they can get each window and spend the spare cash on good prospects rather than spread the cash around too much. But that was probably what they thought they were doing on Richarlison and Solanke.
 
PowerSpurs said:
I just wish they would sign the best two players they can get each window and spend the spare cash on good prospects rather than spread the cash around too much. But that was probably what they thought they were doing on Richarlison and Solanke.
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I hope for this too. One £80-90m player each window with a couple of young prospects. Within 13 months (three windows) we'd be a completely different team.

But right now given our league finish and lack of any European football let alone the CL, no player of that calibre is going to join us.

Which is why for the time being, my preferred strategy is to sign a combination of Robertson and Senesi types who are on their last big contract, with the usual young prospects. That should hopefully propel us up the table under a decent coach.

Right now signing almost anyone in the 23-28yo demographic is almost certain to be an expensive disaster.
 
PowerSpurs said:
I just wish they would sign the best two players they can get each window and spend the spare cash on good prospects rather than spread the cash around too much. But that was probably what they thought they were doing on Richarlison and Solanke.
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I agree on the first point. Although I’d use the spare cash on smart signings like Roberson and Senesi types, I’m not sure we’re a good club for prospects any more, especially as we can’t seem to spot any good ones of late judging by the ones we currently have.

The second point is where my concern lies, our eye for talent has become horrendous. We’ve wasted phenomenal amounts of money on absolute ****e in recent years and we’ve still got fans advocating for similar with the likes of Summerville etc
 
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Dier Hard said:
I agree on the first point. Although I’d use the spare cash on smart signings like Roberson and Senesi types, I’m not sure we’re a good club for prospects any more, especially as we can’t seem to spot any good ones of late judging by the ones we currently have.

The second point is where my concern lies, our eye for talent has become horrendous. We’ve wasted phenomenal amounts of money on absolute ****e in recent years and we’ve still got fans advocating for similar with the likes of Summerville etc
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One thing I do find darkly humorous is there was a period where our fanbase were widely calling for Prem-proven players over our annual trolley dash through Ligue 1 or the Eredivisie, and as things currently stand, Richy and Bissouma are two players who fit that description perfectly...and are probably the two players our fanbase wants us to bin off this summer more than any other

Similar goes for us hiring a PL-proven manager last summer, and we were begging for him to be binned off while there was still time to use the January window to course-correct
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
One thing I do find darkly humorous is there was a period where our fanbase were widely calling for Prem-proven players over our annual trolley dash through Ligue 1 or the Eredivisie, and as things currently stand, Richy and Bissouma are two players who fit that description perfectly...and are probably the two players our fanbase wants us to bin off this summer more than any other

Similar goes for us hiring a PL-proven manager last summer, and we were begging for him to be binned off while there was still time to use the January window to course-correct
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Most fans seem to believe many things about football which can't be true. Anything with the word proven after it is unlikely to be right. Past performance is no proof of likely future performance in any walk of life.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
One thing I do find darkly humorous is there was a period where our fanbase were widely calling for Prem-proven players over our annual trolley dash through Ligue 1 or the Eredivisie, and as things currently stand, Richy and Bissouma are two players who fit that description perfectly...and are probably the two players our fanbase wants us to bin off this summer more than any other

Similar goes for us hiring a PL-proven manager last summer, and we were begging for him to be binned off while there was still time to use the January window to course-correct
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Richarlison was never Prem proven though, he was just a player that played in the Prem. We were widely mocked by rival fans and even our own for his signing, especially at the fee paid.

Bissouma admittedly was a shock at how bad he’s been. On paper we’d signed at the time what was considered the best CM in the league outside of those at the top six and you can probably say that’s what the Senesi signing is but at CB, so hopefully he doesn’t go down the same route.
 
PowerSpurs said:
Most fans seem to believe many things about football which can't be true. Anything with the word proven after it is unlikely to be right. Past performance is no proof of likely future performance in any walk of life.
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Not sure about that. Past form in football is generally the best measure/ indicator for future performance, especially if that past form is spread over years and not just a recent period which would indicate a rare purple patch.

Would you rather have Haaland or Richarlison up front for your team? What would then be the reason for your pick if not based on their past?
 
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Citizen Kane. said:
If course the easier alternative is to watch what the likes of Brentford and Bournemouth are doing, and just hijack their bids with offers of higher wages. Let them do the scouting for us.

Case in point Brentford are closing in on FC Koln winger Said el Mala. Why aren't they trying for Summerville? What do they know that we apparently don't?
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Who do you think we can attract that is worthy of us signing?
 
Ali Gold says we expect a new striker this summer - no **** Sherlock on that one.

Miguel Delaney says we’ve revived interest in MGW. That’s a Prem proven player .
 
It's like the elephant in the room isn't called out.

We are not attracting anything better because we are not a very attractive proposition for the kind of quality many of us think we need to achieve the goals we want to.

Plus our scouting network is ****e imo.

All roads lead to ENICs negligence.
 
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Citizen Kane. said:
If course the easier alternative is to watch what the likes of Brentford and Bournemouth are doing, and just hijack their bids with offers of higher wages. Let them do the scouting for us.

Case in point Brentford are closing in on FC Koln winger Said el Mala. Why aren't they trying for Summerville? What do they know that we apparently don't?
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In the case of Summerville, the Spammers are likely going to try and jack the price up to cover the sudden £150m gap in their accounts

...which is yet another reason not to add another streaky player to the collection
 
Spurlock said:
It's like the elephant in the room isn't called out.

We are not attracting anything better because we are not a very attractive proposition for the kind of quality many of us think we need to achieve the goals we want to.

Plus our scouting network is ****e imo.

All roads lead to ENICs negligence.
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I think we’re massively attractive, we’ve managed to hire two of the biggest managers in history in the last 5 years. Swiping through of a lot **** we’ve also signed players with good pedigree, the problem is we’ve not targeted enough of them. If we built a team of Romero’s, Bentancur’s, Maddison’s and Kulusevski’s we’d coast into top 6/ top 4 each season as a minimum. We just need to stop going for the Richarlison’s, Solanke’s and Gallagher’s, who cost us just as much yet deliver very little.
 
Dier Hard said:
I think we’re massively attractive, we’ve managed to hire two of the biggest managers in history in the last 5 years. Swiping through of a lot **** we’ve also signed players with good pedigree, the problem is we’ve not targeted enough of them. If we built a team of Romero’s, Bentancur’s, Maddison’s and Kulusevski’s we’d coast into top 6/ top 4 each season as a minimum. We just need to stop going for the Richarlison’s, Solanke’s and Gallagher’s, who cost us just as much yet deliver very little.
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Therefore we need to invest in one of the best DOFs football has to offer or we will never win the league because clearly a lack of money isn't the issue.

If we sign Summerville then nothing is changing behind the scenes it seems.

ENIC are the problem.
 
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