Will Eddie Howe get Newcastle back into Europe

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Will Eddie Howe get Newcastle back into Europe


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Glasner, 3 trophies, leaves. Iraola, hugely over achieves, leaves.

Howe? Apparently amazing, nobody comes calling, dreadful season, hangs around.

Weird.
You are a funny one aren't one are you? The charity shield isn't a cup, Palace won the FA Cup last season not this one, and have had a significantly worse league season that Newcastle have, finishing 15th. They managed to win the piss easy Europa Conference this season, which you're comparing directly with the Champions League! Did Palace have to play PSG, Barcelona and Bayern Munich to win that?

We've finished above Palace every season and Bournemouth every season except the last one. Palace's team has fallen apart since Eze left and Glasner is doing the right thing doing a runner. Likewise Iraola has done brilliantly at Bournemouth, but is nowhere near the legend Howe is there, and Howe has delivered more here than Iraola has there, with 2 Champions Leagues and a trophy, compared to Iraola's just one Europa qualification there. I'm not hugely pro Howe right now, but you're mangling the stats.
 
The FA Cup conference league and charity Shieldn definitely eclipses what Newcastle have achieved.... With considerably less money too.
 
The FA Cup conference league and charity Shieldn definitely eclipses what Newcastle have achieved.... With considerably less money too.
The FA Cup there is the biggie, which undoubtedly eclipses what we won. I don't attach much relevance to the Charity Shield, but they were in a far weaker Euro competition, and I wish we'd had a chance at the Europa League or that, as we were never gonna win the CL.

Palace's league form has been consistently poor the last 2 seasons though.
 
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Glasner also got Palace into Europe two years running. A feat that is beyond Howe as it just too much hard work with all these games, I cant train the guys to run more and not concede in the last 10 minutes.........
 
Glasner also got Palace into Europe two years running. A feat that is beyond Howe as it just too much hard work with all these games, I cant train the guys to run more and not concede in the last 10 minutes.........
Eh?

He only got them into Europe by winning the 2 cups, their league finishes were 12th and 15th.

Howe would have literally had a better chance for Europe 2 years running in a row if he hadn't finished as high last season and hadn't got into the Champions League, cos the other 2 competitions would have been winnable for us.

<doh>
 
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Comparisons to Glasner are just weird. He's clearly Palace's best manager of all time, and his achievements with them have been incredible.

However the achievements still mask a league form that was very poor with him, especially at the start of this season. He's doing a runner at the perfect time, as nothing can damped his success with Palace from now on.

Howe has been through a bad season, if he had quit last summer, his record would be basically spotless as Glasner's is now.
 
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......and Glasner's league form has been massively worse than ours, and people would have also been hugely annoyed if we'd played like Palace had Glasner playing this season.

Thus Glasner has had a shine put on an even worse season than Howe by winning the Europa Conference. Howe couldn't have had this because he also did far better than Glasner in the league last season and meant we were in a much harder competition.
 
The point is Glasner is clearly a massive enigma and the cups mask his terrible league form - they ran close to getting relegated this season, and with all the bonuses they'd have had to pay from winning the FA Cup relegation would have been a disaster (see Portsmouth).

Glasner started off brilliantly in the league at the end of 24/25, but the 2 full season he's had in the league have been absolutely terrible. An FA cup win masked them and allowed them entry into a very winnable competition this year.
 
Howes has over 500 million net.. The blokes a chequebook manager...

I disagree. He’s an underdog. But he cannot and will never be the big dog.

Can he beat adversity? Yep. Can he triumph against odds? Yep. He’s done that repeatedly. But can he make a club look and act “big”? No.

He seems like a nice guy, and his achievement is really good. But he cannot adapt and advance. He did it at Bournemouth, when the money came out he faffed and floundered,, went back to his mates and got relegated. Hes doing the same thing here. You want a guy to get lesser players a game, he’s your guy. You want a guy to build a structure around talent like Woltemade, he’s not it.
 
You are a funny one aren't one are you? The charity shield isn't a cup, Palace won the FA Cup last season not this one, and have had a significantly worse league season that Newcastle have, finishing 15th. They managed to win the piss easy Europa Conference this season, which you're comparing directly with the Champions League! Did Palace have to play PSG, Barcelona and Bayern Munich to win that?

We've finished above Palace every season and Bournemouth every season except the last one. Palace's team has fallen apart since Eze left and Glasner is doing the right thing doing a runner. Likewise Iraola has done brilliantly at Bournemouth, but is nowhere near the legend Howe is there, and Howe has delivered more here than Iraola has there, with 2 Champions Leagues and a trophy, compared to Iraola's just one Europa qualification there. I'm not hugely pro Howe right now, but you're mangling the stats.
Lies, damned lies and statistics.

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Yep, never ever been suggested that EH has improved players by coaching. No siree. Good for you to keep to the facts.

Literally every player is worse than when we signed them and certainly previous seasons. The only exception Guimareas and Hall who were of course very expensive in the 1st place.

If Howes really improved the players why has he needed 700 million pounds.
 
Literally every player is worse than whem we signed them. The only exception Guimareas and all who were of course very expensive in the 1st place.

If Howes really improved the players why has he needed 700 million pounds.
"Literally every player" followed by "except". So even in your world, not "literally everyone" then.

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How about Schar, Murphy, Miggy, Big Joe, as examples of players already here that were improved. Try Bruno, Isak, Hall, Tino as examples of players bought that were improved.

As for the money question it's either wumming or stupid and it's therefore pointless responding.
 
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"Literally every player" followed by "except". So even in your world, not "literally everyone" then.

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How about Schar, Murphy, Miggy, Big Joe, as examples of players already here that were improved. Try Bruno, Isak, Hall, Tino as examples of players bought that were improved.

As for the money question it's either wumming or stupid and it's therefore pointless responding.

Improved claims are baseless. They were not suddenly better because of some new cones being put out... They were with better players and already as good as they were in the first place.

The Howe brigade simply claim anyone thats that's playing well was down to Howes improvements and anyone that's playing badly is just playing badly or needs time.
 
Improved claims are baseless. They were not suddenly better because of some new cones being put out... They were with better players and already as good as they were in the first place.

The Howe brigade simply claim anyone thats that's playing well was down to Howes improvements and anyone that's playing badly is just playing badly or needs time.
Which using your own logic your initial claim that literally every player is worse under EH must also be baseless.

So, in your world, you've defeated your own argument. Brilliant. <laugh><laugh><laugh>
 
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