What Should Happen To Tonda Eckert Now?

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Tonda's future at the club


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Well your opinion and mine are irrelevant. Personally I think instructing junior staff to do things that are illegal (in the broad sense, this isn't criminal but it's against the rules of the competition they're in) when they've said they don't want to - even just once - is pretty ****ty behaviour, and we know from the panel decision that Salt (or someone) did more than say once he wasn't comfortable. The decision says he declined to take part in the Ipswich incident, which you can interpret in different ways. On the one hand he clearly did more than say once that he wasn't comfortable but on the other hand he wasn't forced to take part in that incident. Then he did with Boro. We don't know what changed but the most obvious explanation would be that he felt he had to. The panel decision says "We heard evidence from the intern who described the pressure he was placed under."

The EFL panel has already cited a case where staff were banned from all football for a year, described "a particularly deplorable approach" and said "junior members of staff were put under pressure to carry out activities which they felt were, at the least, morally wrong. Such staff were in a vulnerable position without job security and with limited ability to object to, or resist the instructions given to them." I think it would be very odd if the FA did nothing after this. But they aren't at the centre of a confected media ****storm so maybe they won't feel pressured into taking a similar harsh approach to the EFL.

Yeah of course, we are speculating on rumours..

But the fact one of them said 'I am not doing that' and then proceeded to not do it. Would heavily suggest to me they weren't 'pressured' or 'bullied' in to doing so.

Feeling like you had to do it and being remorseful are not examples of bullying or coercive behaviour.
 
Saints are not hated. Media went over the top for headlines, but most people were shocked by the punishment and couldn’t see how Boro deserved to be in final after being beaten over two legs. There will be banter next season…we have to take it and then give some back.

I propose we play ‘We are watching you’ as our new anthem :cool:
Specifically when we play Middlesbrough, home and away, we should sing 'Hey, hey Gibson', to the tune of Bruce Channel's original song, or the DJ Otzi version, using the same words that we sang to 'Hey, hey Lovren'. I suspect that a very large proportion of St Mary's will join in with it.
 
Specifically when we play Middlesbrough, home and away, we should sing 'Hey, hey Gibson', to the tune of Bruce Channel's original song, or the DJ Otzi version, using the same words that we sang to 'Hey, hey Lovren'. I suspect that a very large proportion of St Mary's will join in with it.
I'm a bit old fashioned in that when the c word is used in public I flinch a bit. But if that is sung at Gibson I might even join in.
 
I'm a bit old fashioned in that when the c word is used in public I flinch a bit. But if that is sung at Gibson I might even join in.
I agree with you, and I didn’t sing the offending word when it was sung about Lovren. However, I may well sing it loudly, if we’re singing about Gibson. It will be interesting to see how broadcasters turn down the volume, when 30,000 Saints fans are all singing it
 
On another whimsical thought, on Spying, British Spies are always regarded as being the best in the World and are all heroes, German Spies are the worst and should be hanged. We have a British Spy, sponsored by a German, who apparently has committed the Crime of the Century behind a tree near a playing field in Middlesborough, Hero or Hang? You chose...
 
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I asked the Question on Google AI and got:-
Southampton CEO Phil Parsons does not personally face sacking; however, many supporters and stakeholders have called for sweeping executive changes following the club's "Spygate" scandal.

Thanks . I wouldn’t have even thought of that .
 
On another whimsical thought, on Spying, British Spies are always regarded as being the best in the World and are all heroes, German Spies are the worst and should be hanged. We have a British Spy, sponsored by a German, who apparently has committed the Crime of the Century behind a tree near a playing field in Middlesborough, Hero or Hang? You chose...
Hang him a little bit .
 
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I asked the Question on Google AI and got:-
Southampton CEO Phil Parsons does not personally face sacking; however, many supporters and stakeholders have called for sweeping executive changes following the club's "Spygate" scandal.
Thinking about it , that doesn’t actually say much does it .
 
If the board want to back Tonda, then I`d like to see them backing him in the press and making a case for him now. A charm offensive aimed at the FA, much in the same way that Gibson did for the EFL.
I would at least hope they are trying to influence the FA behind the scenes. He is a young, inexperienced coach for whom a mistake like this could delay or stall a promising future.
 
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Basically when we got charged he didn’t prepare any sort of defence and (from the outside looking in) went in thinking we wouldn’t get much of a punishment.

Admitted to everything straight away, told the Middlesbrough chairman we’d done it and just take the fine that was coming our way and never though we’d get kicked out

The whole way it has been reported that we dealt with the charges was ****ing amateur and he is the one who takes the blame for that
 
Basically when we got charged he didn’t prepare any sort of defence and (from the outside looking in) went in thinking we wouldn’t get much of a punishment.

Admitted to everything straight away, told the Middlesbrough chairman we’d done it and just take the fine that was coming our way and never though we’d get kicked out

The whole way it has been reported that we dealt with the charges was ****ing amateur and he is the one who takes the blame for that

Thanks SM .
And others for your help .
 
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Because he's clearly incompetent and handled this situation terribly. Plus, even if he didn't know there's an argument that he's ultimately responsible as it happened on his watch.

First off he admitted it in a submission to the EFL on the same day of the charge when clearly we wouldn't have had time to do a full investigation.

Also lied in that submission which we had to backtrack on so immediately put us even further on the back foot.

He then goes into the Boro boardroom the following day and says to a chairman well known for litigation "yeah sorry about that but don't worry, we'll happily pay a fine" which was an absurd thing to do.

I really didn't like his statement after the initial decision either. Basically "yeah but look over there!" and claimed the punishment dwarfed £124m when we still had a game to play. Minimising the Luton 30 point deduction just because they played in L2 was really poor as well imo.

Basically he got shown up for his lack of experience in football and it cost us so why ain't the **** resigned yet?
 
I think the whole situation is a farce! Do I blame Tonda? No. Do clubs spy on each other, absolutely they try. Why are premier league training grounds secured like fort knox? The Efl board follow the media hype and clicks, the FA are so powerful they think they above above laws? Since the inauguration of the premier league nothing is fair or honest. Every club in every league is looking for an advantage on the field, money or with lawyers. For us Borough did this off the field and had a day at Wembley for nothing at the cost of millions of hotels and flights that won't get refunded! I don't want to get political but applying EU rules straight away instead of ignoring them like every other country lead to brexit. The rules are there not for a just and fair game but, to keep you in your place.
 
Well your opinion and mine are irrelevant. Personally I think instructing junior staff to do things that are illegal (in the broad sense, this isn't criminal but it's against the rules of the competition they're in) when they've said they don't want to - even just once - is pretty ****ty behaviour, and we know from the panel decision that Salt (or someone) did more than say once he wasn't comfortable. The decision says he declined to take part in the Ipswich incident, which you can interpret in different ways. On the one hand he clearly did more than say once that he wasn't comfortable but on the other hand he wasn't forced to take part in that incident. Then he did with Boro. We don't know what changed but the most obvious explanation would be that he felt he had to. The panel decision says "We heard evidence from the intern who described the pressure he was placed under."

The EFL panel has already cited a case where staff were banned from all football for a year, described "a particularly deplorable approach" and said "junior members of staff were put under pressure to carry out activities which they felt were, at the least, morally wrong. Such staff were in a vulnerable position without job security and with limited ability to object to, or resist the instructions given to them." I think it would be very odd if the FA did nothing after this. But they aren't at the centre of a confected media ****storm so maybe they won't feel pressured into taking a similar harsh approach to the EFL.
I wonder how you feel if the captain instructed flynn downes to make sure leaves a solid one on player x in the hope he can’t play as freely afterwards. It’s not in good faith, it’s against the rules of the game but it gets us a win I know I know he’d be cheered for it.

Everything is about getting a slight advantage, off the pitch or on the pitch. No damn difference. I’d feel a bit sick if we punched a big game winner into the net but it wouldn’t last long. It’s sport, winning is everything and there’s a line we shouldn’t cross but trying to sneak a look at whether a player is in training or it’s a 541 formation isn’t it.