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Excellent for Chelsea? Give over. He left Atleti and Simeone because he wasn’t playing enough too. Only started about 4 or 5 games in the league for them this season and was taken off at HT in 2 or 3.

As for a big part of staying up? That’s nonsense. He made the task more difficult if anything, had a great game against Villa then was either anonymous or poor in just about every other appearance. Huge waste of money that’ll likely find himself on the fringes of another club within the next 12 months.

He was excellent for us after a shakey start. We loved him at ours and why poch left because management were insisting on selling him
 
Increasing talk that Vuskovic is set to return to Hamburg on loan for another year.

It hasn't gone down well with large swathes of the fan base, who rightly argue that he should either be here next season, or go on loan to a better club than Hamburg to continue his development.

The politics behind the scenes suggest that he is desperate to line up alongside his brother Mario who is a also a CB at Hamburg, but currently serving a doping ban until November. We were very keen for Luka to sign a new deal with us to fend off interest from Inter and Dortmund, and the only way he'd agree to sign one was if we let him return to Hamburg specifically.
If Senesi does happen I think another loan works for Vuskovic.

He’s probably already good enough to start for us but another year of developing will guarantee it, returns next summer and walks into the XI.

Assuming Romero leaves and Dragusin is sold, it still leaves us with Senesi, Danso, van de Ven and one of Takai or Phillips going into a season with only one game a week.
 
No one’s criticised his work rate but this just feels like a recurring theme amongst some of our players when people question their ability and impact, the response is “but they work hard”. Granted, Gallagher works harder than most but it’s just not enough. You need some level of quality and he doesn’t possess that. He’s brought nothing to the team that we didn’t already have and it took until something like his 13th game for us to record a win, was that solely his fault? No. But it’s just further proof he done absolutely nothing upon joining to raise any levels or provide something we didn’t have and even when De Zerbi came in, we got one genuinely noticeable performance from him.

By this time next year, I’d expect he’ll be looking for a move just like he did with Atleti because ultimately he’s not good enough to start for a side with aspirations of finishing high up the table and I think he believes he is so.

He’s been a terrible signing, no two ways about it. Don’t see much changing either.

I agree with you that gallaghers technical abilities leave a lot to be desired and the ball bounces off him more often than not. He has a little bit of mctominay about him that (although not shown) that if given the chance to attack he has a little bit of gangly magic to him when he doesnt lose possession and he will make space by stretching teams with well timed runs and attacking contributions. But yes his best attributes is his work rate and tenancity but thats exactly what we needed at chelsea (not your team which is uncreative to a tee)
 
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I agree with you that gallaghers technical abilities leave a lot to be desired and the ball bounces off him more often than not. He has a little bit of mctominay about him that (although not shown) that if given the chance to attack he has a little bit of gangly magic to him when he doesnt lose possession and he will make space by stretching teams with well timed runs and attacking contributions. But yes his best attributes is his work rate and tenancity but thats exactly what we needed at chelsea (not your team which is uncreative to a tee)
And that’s the problem, work rate and tenacity is something we’ve actually got in abundance. It’s also a trait that should be a pre-requisite more so than a standout attribute for footballers.

If Ndombele actually worked hard we’d have probably sold him for about £100m to Madrid.
 
I don’t think we can offer him what he wants, we need a starting LW pronto, he’ll basically be in the same position here as he was at Bayern.
I think Tel's main grievance is being jerked around for a large chunk of the season, given he had 7 starts in total under Frank between August-February, compared to 4 each under Tudor and De Zerbi in February-March and March-May respectively
 
I think Tel's main grievance is being jerked around for a large chunk of the season, given he had 7 starts in total under Frank between August-February, compared to 4 each under Tudor and De Zerbi in February-March and March-May respectively

He’s nowhere near good enough to be given guarantees of starts. Tries hard but not enough end product yet.

If Spurs can get their money back, I’d happily see him sold.
 
He’s nowhere near good enough to be given guarantees of starts. Tries hard but not enough end product yet.

If Spurs can get their money back, I’d happily see him sold.
The obvious counter point is Frank had Odobert start far more often, when he had far less end product

Also the fact that logic says that Odobert is ideal to come off the bench to use his pace and dribbling against tiring legs
 
He’s nowhere near good enough to be given guarantees of starts. Tries hard but not enough end product yet.

If Spurs can get their money back, I’d happily see him sold.
That’s the view I have of all the young players tbh. None have kicked on and they’re only likely to fall further down any pecking order now once we (hopefully) bring in more players, best to get as much as we can back on them.
 
That’s the view I have of all the young players tbh. None have kicked on and they’re only likely to fall further down any pecking order now once we (hopefully) bring in more players, best to get as much as we can back on them.
My main fear is Angeball has actively ruined some of them

Brennan Johnson is the obvious example as he went from a pacey (if technically limited) winger to Clint Dempsey tribute act, and I do fear Sarr's had a lot of the attributes that Paratici signed him for coached out of him

Gray is certainly salvageable, though
 
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The obvious counter point is Frank had Odobert start far more often, when he had far less end product

Also the fact that logic says that Odobert is ideal to come off the bench to use his pace and dribbling against tiring legs

I pretty much feel the same about Odobert as I do tel. If he’s happy to be a squad player and develop then keep him. If he wants first team football guaranteed then sell.

Mikey Moore deserves more of a chance than either of them imo.
 
I'd be worried about signing players from Brighton. Same for Brentford or Bmouth or any other well-run club.

They look superb playing in a consistent and sensible system, then they move to this circus and look Sunday league.
Surely the best plan is to adopt a sensible system?
 
Surely the best plan is to adopt a sensible system?

You need the system in place first, and then make the signings that suit it.

All of those teams had a clear and consistent system in place when they were still in the Championship.

We don't.

Signing players before the system is in place is the equivalent of arranging furniture in an empty field and expecting it to build a house.
 
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My main fear is Angeball has actively ruined some of them

Brennan Johnson is the obvious example as he went from a pacey (if technically limited) winger to Clint Dempsey tribute act, and I do fear Sarr's had a lot of the attributes that Paratici signed him for coached out of him

Gray is certainly salvageable, though
I’m just struggling to see where the game time for him or the others comes into play.

Only one game a week next season and if for a second we assume Vinai’s and the Lewis’ statements actually have substance then we should be expecting some investment into a squad that’s already hard for some of them to get regular minutes in.

We’re probably gonna be looking at an XI of something like:
New GK
Porro, Senesi, van de Ven, Robertson
Palhinha, Bentancur
Kudus, Maddison, New LW
New ST

If Kulu ever returns he goes into the XI. There’ll then be players like Spence, Danso and Udogie who will feature heavily, Simons will expect to play minutes when he returns, Gallagher and Solanke will likely be kept unfortunately and therefore expect minutes as well. It’s tough to see where any of these young players come into the side, even off the bench.
 
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You need the system in place first, and then make the signings that suit it.

All of those teams had a clear and consistent system in place when they were still in the Championship.

We don't.

Signing players before the system is in place is the equivalent of arranging furniture in an empty field and expecting it to build a house.
If your recruitment strategy is to use data to get a slight edge on signing middling players so that you can finish in the top half of the PL then having a settled system works well. If, like us, you are trying to play catch up against clubs with bigger spending power then you don't have much option other than to buy the best players available and coach them into performing well.
 
I’m just struggling to see where the game time for him or the others comes into play.

Only one game a week next season and if for a second we assume Vinai’s and the Lewis’ statements actually have substance then we should be expecting some investment into a squad that’s already hard for some of them to get regular minutes in.

We’re probably gonna be looking at an XI of something like:
New GK
Porro, Senesi, van de Ven, Robertson
Palhinha, Bentancur
Kudus, Maddison, New LW
New ST

If Kulu ever returns he goes into the XI. There’ll then be players like Spence, Danso and Udogie who will feature heavily, Simons will expect to play minutes when he returns, Gallagher and Solanke will likely be kept unfortunately and therefore expect minutes as well. It’s tough to see where any of these young players come into the side, even off the bench.

You're writing this assuming we won't be in double figure injuries every week?

<laugh>
 
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If your recruitment strategy is to use data to get a slight edge on signing middling players so that you can finish in the top half of the PL then having a settled system works well. If, like us, you are trying to play catch up against clubs with bigger spending power then you don't have much option other than to buy the best players available and coach them into performing well.
I agree with your theory but the problem is the club isn’t buying the best available, they’re largely buying players that West Ham, Brentford, Everton etc could buy and it’s why we as a club have declined ever since we got into the new stadium. It’s not even down to bad luck either, many thousands of fans could’ve told the so-called experts of our hierarchy that Richarlison or Solanke would never be top strikers, many of us knew Gallagher is a midtable at best midfielder. Archie Gray at £40m was crazy business, not the lad’s fault by any means and maybe one day he’ll come good but a Championship player should never cost that much, Palace paid half that amount for Wharton who’s currently 10x the player.

I’ve said it before but our recruitment strategy, if we can even say we have one, has been stupid. We've wasted incredible amounts of money over the last 5 or so years.