Off Topic Ahhh …..the bad news thread

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Smudger603 said:
Still a lot of people without water - apparently down to low levels of water ?? What the fuke is it going to be like with the 10,000 new homes being built in the local area ?? FFS ! :emoticon-0138-think
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By 2030 London won't have enough water to supply residents. There's no forward planning at all. It's not as though we haven't been warned for a very long time. So what do we do? Let AI use our precious water. It's madness.
 
It's all getting a bit Third World isn't it.
Next there'll be a TV ad campaign...

:emoticon-0160-movie "Sharon and her little brother Billy were born in Maidstone.
Every day they have to walk for miles under the blazing sun, to pick up a few plastic bottles of 'Peckham Spring' from a stockpile controlled by corrupt local warlords (South East Water).
Your £3 per month could see them drawing all they need from a brand new well, dug in their back garden by trained volunteers.
Please give generously.
At least half of your donation will go into the pockets of water company shareholders".
 
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lardiman said:
It's all getting a bit Third World isn't it.
Next there'll be a TV ad campaign...

:emoticon-0160-movie "Sharon and her little brother Billy were born in Maidstone.
Every day they have to walk for miles under the blazing sun, to pick up a few plastic bottles of 'Peckham Spring' from a stockpile controlled by corrupt local warlords (South East Water).
Your £3 per month could see them drawing all they need from a brand new well, dug in their back garden by trained volunteers.
Please give generously.
At least half of your donation will go into the pockets of water company shareholders".
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My Mum who lives in Broadstairs has had very low water pressure all week and is having bottled water delivered every few days as she can’t get to the collection point at Manston Airport.

Broadstairs is now literally surrounded by thousands of acres of farmland which has been sold and converted into new build housing estates of matchbox houses built on top of each other. It is still going on with more fields earmarked and cleared every few months. It is complete and utter madness and is the fault of central government with their ridiculous targets on house building plus the water companies being in private ownership and so prioritising profit over service.

Deaths in this country now outnumber births and are predicted to do so for at least the next two decades. The rise in population is being fuelled entirely by net migration. Without it we could stop all housebuilding almost immediately and we’d all be better off. I despair.
 
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We don't have a law & order thread, but since this is a bad news story I thought I would put my thoughts here.
I was saddened and disturbed to hear that a Sikh man has been convicted of murdering another man, using a ceremonial dagger which all Sikh men wear, as one of the five pillars of their faith.

I respect other faiths. And until now as far as I was aware, a fatal stabbing using a Sikh ceremonial dagger has never taken place in the UK.
I may be wrong about that. I've certainly never heard of one before.
One fatal stabbing however is obviously one too many.

Can the British Sikh community not agree that all ceremonial daggers carried in the future should be harmless and symbolic only - something that could be guaranteed in a number of different ways.
I do not believe anybody should have the right to carry or wear a knife in public. No exceptions.
Not saying this murder would have been avoided.
But it might have been.
All of us should be equal before the Law. Equal in our rights, and equal in our responsibilities.
 
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lardiman said:
We don't have a law & order thread, but since this is a bad news story I thought I would put my thoughts here.
I was saddened and disturbed to hear that a Sikh man has been convicted of murdering another man, using a ceremonial dagger which all Sikh men wear, as one of the five pillars of their faith.

I respect other faiths. And until now as far as I was aware, a fatal stabbing using a Sikh ceremonial dagger has never taken place in the UK.
I may be wrong about that. I've certainly never heard of one before.
One fatal stabbing however is obviously one too many.

Can the British Sikh community not agree that all ceremonial daggers carried in the future should be harmless and symbolic only - something that could be guaranteed in a number of different ways.
I do not believe anybody should have the right to carry or wear a knife in public. No exceptions.
Not saying this murder would have been avoided.
But it might have been.
All of us should be equal before the Law. Equal in our rights, and equal in our responsibilities.
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I would say that the Sikh community is one of the most respectful, law-abiding and hard working religious communities in the UK.

You very rarely hear of Sikhs being involved in criminal acts and they are very welcoming and respectful of other’s religions. I have personally been on the receiving end of the most generous welcome and sharing of the most gorgeous food a person could hope for from the followers of the Sikh belief that I myself didn’t share.

I don’t know anything about the case you refer to but I’d be hesitant about changing something so important to a religious belief when it almost never causes any problems in our society.

There are far greater threats to our society than Sikhs carrying the religious dagger and there are plenty of other laws that should be enforced properly before we even think about going down this route.

Just my opinion having learnt quite a bit about the Sikh way of life. There is much to be admired in it tbh.
 
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I agree with everything you've said about the Sikh community. They are admirable in many ways.
And this may be the first time a ceremonial knife has ever been used to take a life here in the UK.

I would just like to see the law regarding the carrying of knives made absolutely clear to everyone in this Country.
Now it may already be the case that there are kinds of ceremonial knife carried by some Sikhs which are made in such a way as to be much less dangerous than other kinds of knives. Or not dangerous at all. I don't know of any details regarding this.

I've read there was something amiss regarding the murderer, as he was carrying two ceremonial knives on him when he killed his victim.
Also, the killer lied to Police who arrived on the scene, saying he had been attacked first by his victim.
Unfortunately before the officers realised the other man had been stabbed several times they handcuffed the poor guy.
Elon Musk has said he's going to fund a private prosecution against the Police for the way they initially treated the murder victim (a white man).
So the tension around the whole business is already escalating.

I very much hope this tragic event does not lead to any kind of reprisals against the Sikh community.
Perhaps their representatives can explain more about the ceremonial knives their men carry, and hopefully how little risk they pose.
 
Ponders Revisited said:
No one should be walking around with a dagger. No one. If it had been outlawed, the young man in question would still be alive.
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I agree with you in principal but it is very, very, very rare for a Sikh person to use their dagger in this way. As Lardi says it may be the first time ever in the UK.

Compare that to how many people are being stabbed and killed day in day out by people wielding non religious knives across the UK and also the fact that literally anyone can get their hands on a deadly knife within seconds then I think Sikh religious daggers are the tiniest, tiniest part of the problem.

Of course if use of the Sikh dagger to commit crime was, or became a widespread problem then there would need to be a change in the current law, which is to be fair, quite clear.
 
Ubedizzytoo said:
I agree with you in principal but it is very, very, very rare for a Sikh person to use their dagger in this way. As Lardi says it may be the first time ever in the UK.

Compare that to how many people are being stabbed and killed day in day out by people wielding non religious knives across the UK and also the fact that literally anyone can get their hands on a deadly knife within seconds then I think Sikh religious daggers are the tiniest, tiniest part of the problem.

Of course if use of the Sikh dagger to commit crime was, or became a widespread problem then there would need to be a change in the current law, which is to be fair, quite clear.
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Rare or not, it happened.

Saying it is rare for a Sikh to commit murder will not be a balm to the grieving family.

Most chainsaws are used for cutting down trees, but that doesn't mean it is okay to walk down the street with one.

Outlaw all dangerous weapons or accept more innocents will be butchered.
 
Ponders Revisited said:
Rare or not, it happened.

Saying it is rare for a Sikh to commit murder will not be a balm to the grieving family.

Most chainsaws are used for cutting down trees, but that doesn't mean it is okay to walk down the street with one.

Outlaw all dangerous weapons or accept more innocents will be butchered.
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Banning the daggers won’t stop innocents being butchered. I’ve read a bit more about this story now and I think the man who committed this murder wasn’t a true Sikh at all. If he were he would not have committed the offence in the first place, regardless of whether he had a religious dagger, a kitchen knife, hunting knife or any other sort of weapon.

The murder is horrendous and as you say, there can be no comfort for the lad’s family, but I think the religious dagger bit is just making it a newsworthy story - it isn’t the crux of the issue in my humble opinion.
 
I do feel a bit for the Coppers who arrived just after that Sikh guy had stabbed his victim.

The bodycam footage is humiliating a dreadful.
When one of the officers dismissed the poor guy's plea that he had been stabbed, that must have broken the hearts of his family.
But this is a consequence of the disrespect and contempt the Police are held in now.

They answer hundreds of calls per day.
All kinds of disorder. Riots, fights, drunken chaos.
And 99.999% of the time, the first things that come out of the mouths of anyone they speak to is lies.
Dumb lies. Stupid lies.
Utterly moronic and implausible lies.
Lying to the Police is now a National pastime.
Even on those traffic cop shows. They pull someone over for a bald tyre or driving a bit iffy. And whoever it is just lies and lies and lies.

And when they have to arrest someone, it's "I'm having a heart attack. I can't breathe, get me to a hospital..."
Lies. Lies. Lies.

Beat Coppers must be so used to being lied to, they assume that everything they are told is untrue.
And the circumstances of this incident seems to have reinforced that.
Those officers who handcuffed the dying man. If they have consciences (and I think they do) that mistake will haunt them forever.
Elon Musk - take your money and f**k off.
Who would be a Copper these days?
Who would be mad enough to want to defend the innocent and keep order on our streets.
 
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lardiman said:
I do feel a bit for the Coppers who arrived just after that Sikh guy had stabbed his victim.

The bodycam footage is humiliating a dreadful.
When one of the officers dismissed the poor guy's plea that he had been stabbed, that must have broken the hearts of his family.
But this is a consequence of the disrespect and contempt the Police are held in now.

They answer hundreds of calls per day.
All kinds of disorder. Riots, fights, drunken chaos.
And 99.999% of the time, the first things that come out of the mouths of anyone they speak to is lies.
Dumb lies. Stupid lies.
Utterly moronic and implausible lies.
Lying to the Police is now a National pastime.
Even on those traffic cop shows. They pull someone over for a bald tyre or driving a bit iffy. And whoever it is just lies and lies and lies.

And when they have to arrest someone, it's "I'm having a heart attack. I can't breathe, get me to a hospital..."
Lies. Lies. Lies.

Beat Coppers must be so used to being lied to, they assume that everything they are told is untrue.
And the circumstances of this incident seems to have reinforced that.
Those officers who handcuffed the dying man. If they have consciences (and I think they do) that mistake will haunt them forever.
Elon Musk - take your money and f**k off.
Who would be a Copper these days?
Who would be mad enough to want to defend the innocent and keep order on our streets.
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You've also missed the bit where the murderer at no time, even when under arrest and transported to the police station, was placed in handcuffs.
I have a cousin who recently retired from the police, he worked in the professional standards department, and his opinion is that the standard of the average recruit is abysmal. Most of the police I see nowadays seem smaller than Elfs and full of tattoos, hardly a starting point for respect.
Abridged version, piss poor from plod, and shame on the officers involved.
 
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TwoWrights said:
You've also missed the bit where the murderer at no time, even when under arrest and transported to the police station, was placed in handcuffs.
I have a cousin who recently retired from the police, he worked in the professional standards department, and his opinion is that the standard of the average recruit is abysmal. Most of the police I see nowadays seem smaller than Elfs and full of tattoos, hardly a starting point for respect.
Abridged version, piss poor from plod, and shame on the officers involved.
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It should be an instant sacking for all involved. They must hang their heads in shame. Their cretinous actions ensured that a dying man's final moments had no dignity whatsoever.

Shameful.
 
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I find the lack of empathy for the pressures Police officers are under very sad.

One well respected by a huge majority of people, now the Police are nothing more than a political football.
To be kicked around at any time, by anyone.
 
lardiman said:
I find the lack of empathy for the pressures Police officers are under very sad.

One well respected by a huge majority of people, now the Police are nothing more than a political football.
To be kicked around at any time, by anyone.
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Have you even watched the footage? The police were under no pressure to handcuff a dying man. No pressure whatsoever. They simply believed the murderer above all else, which is a sad indictment of how we are as a nation.

Once again, no one is demonising all police officers. For the most part, they do a fine job. But these officers in question behaved appallingly and should therefore be sacked forthwith.
 
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