The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Friday 22nd May)

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Good Morning. It's Friday 22nd May, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road

Saints used Bielsa spy-gate as mitigating defence

Southampton Football Club attempted to leverage the Leeds United spygate scandal of January 2019 as part of its own legal strategy, arguing that the punishment being dished out to them was disproportionate when measured against the precedent set seven years ago. The comparison, on the surface, appears plausible, until you delve deeper! Leeds were only fined £200,000 for equivalent conduct, (which Marcelo Bielsa insisted on paying the fine personally from his own pocket), but a closer look reveals fundamental differences.

The original spygate controversy erupted when it emerged that Leeds United had been spying on opponents throughout the season. The story dominated football headlines for weeks, largely because of the response from Marcelo Bielsa and his now-famous press conference in which he delivered a 70-minute PowerPoint presentation, explaining his philosophy on preparing for matches. He admitted openly to spying on opponents, arguing that it constituted a legitimate form of preparation, that did not fundamentally alter the competitive balance of matches. The story was so prominent that it would have been virtually impossible for any individual working within professional football to remain unaware of it - or so you'd think!

Back in 2019 during the original spygate, Saints Manager Tonda Eckert was serving as assistant coach of RB Leipzig's Under-19 side in Germany. Given the prominence of both the story and of Marcelo Bielsa himself, a respected manager whose methodologies are studied and admired by coaches throughout the world, it seems reasonable to suggest that a young, ambitious coach in Eckert's position, WOULD have been acutely aware of the saga unfolding in English football.

As we know, on the continent, the practice of observing opposing teams during training or preparation sessions is permitted. Leeds used this very defence during their own spygate proceedings, so it's not surprising that Southampton recently did the same; however, it was deemed that "there was, on the part of the Respondent [Southampton], a contrived and determined plan from the top down to gain a competitive advantage in competitions of real significance by deliberate attendance at opposition training grounds for the purpose of obtaining tactical and selection information."

It didn't help their cause that they initially provided misleading information regarding the circumstances under which footage was obtained, only altering their position and entering a guilty plea after being presented with concrete evidence that contradicted their original account. This stands in marked contrast to Leeds, who acknowledged their conduct openly and transparently from the outset. Bielsa made no attempt to conceal what had occurred!

The Independent Disciplinary Commission found that young interns (like Will Salt) felt pressurised into spying when they knew it was morally wrong, with findings stating "In addition to the sporting sanctions a reprimand is considered appropriate in the present case because of the way in which junior members of staff were put under pressure to carry out activities which they felt were, at the least, morally wrong. Such staff were in a vulnerable position without job security and with limited ability to object to, or resist the instructions given to them."

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Is Okafor looking for a swift Elland Road exit?

Leeds United forward Noah Okafor has cast doubt over his future at Elland Road after suggesting that agent controls his destiny. The Swiss international, who arrived at Leeds last summer for a fee of £18 million, has endured an inconsistent season plagued by injury setbacks, yet his underlying statistics demonstrate considerable promise. Across approximately 1,600 minutes of Premier League action, the 25-year-old has contributed eight goals and one assist, representing a reasonable return on their investment.

His versatility across the forward line has earned praise throughout the campaign, with his pace, physical presence, and eye for goal marking him out as a valuable asset to the squad. However, in a recent statement that will undoubtedly concern the Leeds United faithful, the forward refused to commit his future to the club, stating, "Yes, I'm a Leeds player, and everything that comes or will come in the future is my agency's responsibility. We'll see what happens."

The ambiguous nature of these comments suggests that Okafor may be receptive to summer offers, leaving Leeds United facing the possibility of losing a key player after just one season. With the transfer window approaching, all eyes will be on how the club responds to this developing situation and whether they can persuade their Swiss striker to remain at Elland Road for the foreseeable future.

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I can’t feel sorry for the mess Saints have gotten themselves into. I didn’t agree with us doing it, even though I believe lots of people in the game have admitted it went on years ago. Once we were made an example of, they introduced rules to specifically outlaw it immediately prior to matches. Saints we’re dumb enough to think they’d not get caught or if they did they’d not get thrown out of the playoffs.

On Okafor,I’m torn. Personally if people want out, I don’t want them at the club. Whether that’s what he meant is open to question. He clearly has become a major threat for us as the season progressed. Because of that his value has increased, so we’d hope to get a reasonable profit if sold. He appears to attract a few injuries which is frustrating. I’d hope he’d stay but if he wants out that’s ok, provided we replace him with an upgrade.
 
Morning everyone if okafor gets a decent offer and leeds can make a decent profit on him (5 million?) then let him go as 1 assist is rather pathetic. Nemcha we can let go too as he is just not good enough to improve us. Gnonto has to go while he is worth a decent fee. Even if the sell clause is 40% it does not matter because we signed him for such a small fee. So would still see a profit.
 
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Between now and September every player will be linked with a move out just as most players across Europe will be linked with us. Not wort getting too up or down with either. More important someone finds a proper server for this website or they'll be nobody here by September
 
I've been banging the Okafor drum since we were linked to him last summer. He is a very talented player with pace and power. A game changer. A perfect player for a newly promoted side that can't get an established top flight player like him but without the injury problems.

Saying that, if someone offered £30 million for him then I would snap their hands off. Okafor can only play once a week and for 60 minutes at a time. That £30 million (plus a bit of our budget) could easily buy a more robust version of him. We won't be the dog begging for left overs this summer. We have a very promising project starting to mature at Leeds. We might just be shopping a couple of shelves up this summer. Make a quick profit on Okafor and buy an upgrade would be phenomenal business imo.
 
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No idea where this Okafor story came from, but if his agent has got him interested else where fine, let him gtf, tell his agent never ever show his face again at LS11, get as much as possible and replace with better, I still think Ramazani is going to be class.
 
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No idea where this Okafor story came from, but if his agent has got him interested else where fine, let him gtf, tell his agent never ever show his face again at LS11, get as much as possible and replace with better, I still think Ramazani is going to be class.
He’s 25 years old now, so not exactly a kid with potential.