Saints expelled from Play Offs by EFL
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Just had a thought. Will Salt was in the first MOTM photo, but none of the others. You don’t think it was a choice to minimise him being recognised?
I don’t have a problem with him either in theory, but I'm sure after the 12 point season he was supposed to be furious with the way things had been run and said he was going to sort it out, or something along those lines. Aaaaaaand we appear to be in a bigger shambles than ever. He probably has nothing to do with what's gone on, but it’s not really the point at this stage. He took ownership and this is where we are, needing ANOTHER fresh start. Why should anyone believe this one will be any different to the other fresh starts we've had under SR?
The sad thing was that he did get it sorted (Spors, Eckert) and it gave us one of the best times in Saints history - except for one important detail that caused everything to crash
I thought the same and having done that, it’s no surprise that it’s reported he’s livid, not least of all because it reflects on him. No doubt he’s been badly let down but all eyes are now on him to see how he sorts this mess.
The more detailed explanation from the EFL actually undermines their decision a bit.
I am not condoning what Saints did, it is cheating in my view, but everything is relative and this is definitely a grey area in other countries. On the BBC European football podcast this week they were basically laughing about how spying on training sessions the day before games is rife, especially in Germany, and almost treated as a game.
We shouldn’t forget that Tonda comes from Germany, so may have a different moral stance on this than the outrage that Middlesbrough have developed after they were beaten.
The EFL detail, focusing on the pressure applied to junior members of the team to participate, reads more like an HR issue, which has been punished by a huge football sanction.
It is clear that this all centres around the grievance claim from the whistleblower so I suspect the Club was constrained in what they could do and avoid saying, especially if the whistleblower provided internal texts and emails they have been keeping.
My stance is that we should not overreact to all of this. I don’t think Tonda is a terrible person and will definitely be remorseful. But we might create more self harm than is warranted by losing our perspective in the face of the media hysteria designed to create a news cycle at our expense and faux outrage from parties that have a massive agenda.
We did wrong, no doubt, but the punishment is already 100 times worse than it should be. We shouldn’t compound that by turning on each other and the club.
I am not condoning what Saints did, it is cheating in my view, but everything is relative and this is definitely a grey area in other countries. On the BBC European football podcast this week they were basically laughing about how spying on training sessions the day before games is rife, especially in Germany, and almost treated as a game.
We shouldn’t forget that Tonda comes from Germany, so may have a different moral stance on this than the outrage that Middlesbrough have developed after they were beaten.
The EFL detail, focusing on the pressure applied to junior members of the team to participate, reads more like an HR issue, which has been punished by a huge football sanction.
It is clear that this all centres around the grievance claim from the whistleblower so I suspect the Club was constrained in what they could do and avoid saying, especially if the whistleblower provided internal texts and emails they have been keeping.
My stance is that we should not overreact to all of this. I don’t think Tonda is a terrible person and will definitely be remorseful. But we might create more self harm than is warranted by losing our perspective in the face of the media hysteria designed to create a news cycle at our expense and faux outrage from parties that have a massive agenda.
We did wrong, no doubt, but the punishment is already 100 times worse than it should be. We shouldn’t compound that by turning on each other and the club.
The whole thing was a Boro entrapment and their was an ex Boro lawyer on the panel (there wasn't).
I gather from the beat of the tom-tom drums down there that, right now, Mr Ekert will be as popular as Andrew Mountanything-Windbag or Keith (fecking) Starmer.
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I was thinking the same as the sorry saga unfolded. A disgruntled ex employee with a grudge to bear setting us up for a fall. When the dastardly plot was uncovered Steve Gibson and his evil accomplices were banned from all sports for life and transported to a Siberian gulag.
Sadly just a figment of my imagination running away with me and now I have to come to terms with reality. Over the next days we'll find out what bans and sackings occur for those responsible whilst hoping for contrition and apologises from club and individuals who's behaviour led to this sorry state of affairs.
My take is well summed up by the Sam Wallace piece in the Telegraph previously linked to, the draconian punishment doesn't fit the crime. The majority of footy fans in my local in the Netherlands are of much the same view having watched and enjoyed the renaissance under Tonda.
The one thing I do find a bit odd is that Middlesbrough were made aware of the Oxford incident on the same day that they caught Salt up there.
Surely a lot had to happen to reach that point and seems mental in such a short timeframe.
I don't understabd why ,if Oxford were suspicious of this in December , that it was not reported earlier.
I get the impression that Tonda had no concept that it was deemed to be spying or illegal, and no one had the bottle or nous to put him right. Opinion from abroad seems to match this, hinting that this is just a British thing, that the rest of the World has moved on and it's no big deal. I guess if he gets a decent job overseas, he wouldn't be afraid to do it again?
Becuase it isn't that big of a ****ing deal
Some people here need to give their head a wobble and calm down.
I find it unbelievable that he wouldn't know.
For one English to club to not tell him the rules whilst unlikely is plausible. For two different clubs to not inform him just seems far too remote a possibility.
Plus if junior staff were pushing back I'd imagine it being against the rules was why.