Match Day Thread Play Off Final. Hull City v Boro

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McGregor HU5 said:
I assume Millwall would be seeking legal action for missing out on the automatic spots from the systematic spying I assume?
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Who are they taking that action against? Southampton weren't kicked out of the league nor did they receive a points deduction for this season. The EFL didn't make the decision, so Millwall can hardly go after them.
 
Saints_Alive said:
Just want to say sorry for the actions of our cheating manager causing you a lot of hassle.
Every one of my Saints supporting mates think that you morally should be promoted now instead of having to play the team that lost in the semi-final.
I'm hoping that you thrash Boro, good luck...:emoticon-0148-yes:
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Thanks for sentiment, but couldnt help read first sentence like Harry Enfields German...<laugh>
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I'm not feeling very confident going in to the game on Saturday....But...Everyone has underestimated us all season, and in fact, I underestimated us all season too <laugh>. But the team consistantly proves me and all the doubters wrong, and I'm hoping they can do it one more time on Saturday!
 
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Chazz Rheinhold said:

Millwall and Wrexham consider legal options over Southampton spying scandal​

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Millwall and Wrexham are considering their legal options after confirmation that Southampton have been expelled from Saturday’s Championship playoff final and replaced by the beaten semi-finalists Middlesbrough.

The aggrieved clubs will await publication of the written reasons for the decisions taken by the English Football League’s independent disciplinary panel, which were upheld by an appeal panel on Wednesday night, but are understood to believe they could have grounds to make a claim for compensation.

Millwall and Wrexham could seek to test whether the EFL rulebook has been correctly applied or whether the disciplinary process was flawed, and could argue that because Southampton’s spying on Middlesbrough took place before the playoffs, they should have been replayed without Southampton’s involvement.

Millwall were beaten by Hull in the playoff semi-finals after finishing third and Wrexham missed out after finishing seventh.

There has been speculation in legal circles that one of the parties could seek an injunction at the high court to force the EFL to postpone Saturday’s final between Southampton and Hull but that is regarded as a non-starter owing to the timescale. Any claim would therefore be retrospective for damages.

Hull’s owner, Acun Ilicali, said on Wednesday that his club had received legal advice that they should be automatically promoted to the Premier League as a result of Southampton’s expulsion rather than playing Middlesbrough.

There appears little prospect of Hull pursuing that case in the next 48 hours but they could also pursue a claim for damages if beaten at Wembley in a game worth a minimum of £200m to the winners.

Publication of the written reasons will be key because there has been little explanation from the EFL as to how it arrived at its decisions and the process involved.

By giving Southampton two sanctions – expulsion from the final and a four-point penalty in next season’s Championship – after the club admitted to spying Middlesbrough, Oxford and Ipswich, it appears the panel treated the playoffs as a separate competition.

The EFL’s rulebook contains no reference to the process for replacing an expelled team, although its guidance notes state that the playoff final should be contested between two semifinal winners, which will not be the case on Saturday.

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Wrexham and Millwall declined to comment.

The FA is expected to bring charges against individuals after confirming it is investigating Southampton’s conduct. The position of the club’s manager, Tonda Eckert, is regarded as untenable by the squad.

One of the players, Leo Scienza, has described expulsion from the playoffs as “heartbreaking” and said the fans “definitely deserved better”.
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As I said earlier. I don’t think Southampton should have been expelled as it seems well over the top for the crime. But now they have, there’s absolutely no chance we should be playing Middlesbrough. As per their own rules, the contest needs to be played by the two semi final winners. That’s not the case. We have a legal open and shut case to be honest. It’s an absolute mess, and the EFL only have themselves to blame.
 
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Kevin Francis said:
As I said earlier. I don’t think Southampton should have been expelled as it seems well over the top for the crime. But now they have, there’s absolutely no chance we should be playing Middlesbrough. As per their own rules, the contest needs to be played by the two semi final winners. That’s not the case. We have a legal open and shut case to be honest. It’s an absolute mess, and the EFL only have themselves to blame.
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Simon Jordan described it as being given the death penalty for shoplifting a sandwich, thought that was fair to be honest..<laugh>
 
Kevin Francis said:
As I said earlier. I don’t think Southampton should have been expelled as it seems well over the top for the crime. But now they have, there’s absolutely no chance we should be playing Middlesbrough. As per their own rules, the contest needs to be played by the two semi final winners. That’s not the case. We have a legal open and shut case to be honest. It’s an absolute mess, and the EFL only have themselves to blame.
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I suspect when the full ruling etc is published, it will show a 3-0 walkover awarded to Boro in the first leg, although that has not been made public yet. But that's the only way they would have a watertight defence against any legal action from us. BUT we just need to get on with it and win.
 
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Saints_Alive said:
Just want to say sorry for the actions of our cheating manager causing you a lot of hassle.
Every one of my Saints supporting mates think that you morally should be promoted now instead of having to play the team that lost in the semi-final.
I'm hoping that you thrash Boro, good luck...:emoticon-0148-yes:
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So is the general feeling amongst saints fans that the manager has to go then? From reading this board and talking to football fans in general it seems I’m in the minority, but I really don’t think it’s a massive deal. I’m sure the spying stuff goes on all the time and has for a long time. Yeah, it’s unsporting and if you get caught you would probably expect a slap on the wrists, but compared to fully grown men rolling around on the floor pretending they’ve got a career ending injury, or the constant time wasting that goes totally unpunished, I’d say spying on tactics a club may or may not use is pretty low down the list of things that go on in the modern game.
 
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So exactly how many tickets have been sold ?
We got nearly 36,000 and the club said limited tickets available so got another 2,000.
Now saying we have sold 32,000 meaning 6,000 left and not even on general sale .
Figures do t add up
 
tigermaul said:
I suspect when the full ruling etc is published, it will show a 3-0 walkover awarded to Boro in the first leg, although that has not been made public yet. But that's the only way they would have a watertight defence against any legal action from us. BUT we just need to get on with it and win.
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To be fair, awarding boro a 3-0 win would cover a lot of legal bases for them. Although not sure why they wouldn’t announce that at the time of that was their plan?
 
Kevin Francis said:
As I said earlier. I don’t think Southampton should have been expelled as it seems well over the top for the crime. But now they have, there’s absolutely no chance we should be playing Middlesbrough. As per their own rules, the contest needs to be played by the two semi final winners. That’s not the case. We have a legal open and shut case to be honest. It’s an absolute mess, and the EFL only have themselves to blame.where they
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Perhaps the levels of underhand practices were more deep routed and widespread than the information that we have been fed over the last week.

It appeared odd that they admitted to charges which related to matches where the points gained were minimal or not significant. Their form during the second half of the season was eye watering.

Hopefully a thorough investigation will leave no stone unturned and the full truth will emerge.
 
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tigermaul said:
I suspect when the full ruling etc is published, it will show a 3-0 walkover awarded to Boro in the first leg, although that has not been made public yet. But that's the only way they would have a watertight defence against any legal action from us. BUT we just need to get on with it and win.
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Can they retrospectively change that after the hearing on Tuesday
 
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