Match Day Thread Chelsea v Spurs
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That’s the only silver lining of relegation for me.
They’ll be desperate to **** off and we should happily oblige.
I’ll happily take watching Lankshear, Moore, Donley etc any day of the week over Richarlison, Muani and Tel.
I’m past caring about refs/penalties/VAR etc. We’d probably miss any penalty anyway.
Just want this misery over.
There was so much wrong tonight I agree. The cohesion that had become apparent over the past month was lost.
The MF that had been doing better in recent games decided to ditch the pressing and positivity, with both Palhinha and Bentancur barely playing a forward pass between them.
Udogie and Porro were both poor, ineffective at best, but it's difficult to think of anything positive to say.
Muani must be De Zerbis love child. HTLF that guy starts every game is beyond me. The guy is ****ing useless!
Richarlison is.... well, what Richarlison is - and I don't know why we expect any more from him.
Micky is no leader and to be honest, not a great defender. He was massively at fault for their second goal.
Kinsky should have got to the first I agree, but the shot came round a couple of players and dipped into the corner. Other than that he did ok, pulling off a couple of decent saves and claiming a couple of difficult crosses. Can we do better? Probably. But whether we will is another matter.
Danso never lets us down to be fair and for me escapes criticism.
But clearly from previous comments, here comes the controversial opinion... Tel is a young lad trying his best and plays with a great attitude. Yes, he makes mistakes but he is pretty much always looking to be positive. He is miles off being any sort of finished article but he will have a decent career...somewhere, if not at Spurs.
Oh well...the result was pretty much expected so it's Sunday or bust!
The MF that had been doing better in recent games decided to ditch the pressing and positivity, with both Palhinha and Bentancur barely playing a forward pass between them.
Udogie and Porro were both poor, ineffective at best, but it's difficult to think of anything positive to say.
Muani must be De Zerbis love child. HTLF that guy starts every game is beyond me. The guy is ****ing useless!
Richarlison is.... well, what Richarlison is - and I don't know why we expect any more from him.
Micky is no leader and to be honest, not a great defender. He was massively at fault for their second goal.
Kinsky should have got to the first I agree, but the shot came round a couple of players and dipped into the corner. Other than that he did ok, pulling off a couple of decent saves and claiming a couple of difficult crosses. Can we do better? Probably. But whether we will is another matter.
Danso never lets us down to be fair and for me escapes criticism.
But clearly from previous comments, here comes the controversial opinion... Tel is a young lad trying his best and plays with a great attitude. Yes, he makes mistakes but he is pretty much always looking to be positive. He is miles off being any sort of finished article but he will have a decent career...somewhere, if not at Spurs.
Oh well...the result was pretty much expected so it's Sunday or bust!
Tel is woeful, mate. Pretty much zero end product and his footballing intelligence is only marginally better than someone like Werner, as we saw last week when he thought doing an overhead kick in his own box was a good idea. Having a good attitude counts for little when you actually offer nothing most of the time. Gallagher and Richarlison generally have good attitudes too…
Lenient on Kinsky as well, if Vicario was in goal for that Fernandez strike you’d be calling for him to be beheaded
Danso could’ve done better for the second goal, ball watching as it went over his head not realising there were two runners then the ball into the box went too easily past him. Looks awkward in possession too, good backup CB and grafts his arse off but not a De Zerbi type of ball playing one.
Tel abysmal, no end product, wasted possession countless times. Doesn’t have a brain.
It's the result that was expected, it's still disappointing of course because you always hold out hope. Overall Chelsea had a few higher quality players than us and they made the difference. I think it's unfair to criticise Spurs effort because they did try.
We should have had a penalty. I don't think it's corruption I just think refs get nervous about making decisions when so much hangs on the result. We've certainly had the wrong end of the stick too many times this season. The only time I have seen us getting the benefit of the doubt in decisions was with Poch when we were fighting for the league. Even then we didn't get anything at Chelsea of course. I get the impression ( and it's only that) that refs almost go with the flow so that successful teams get the rub of the green and struggling teams don't. Whatever it is the standard of decisons by VAR and refs is not good. I really think they should use VAR just for line decisions and not opinion matters. Unless they change the rules to remove any room for the refs decision and that would be to ruin football IMO.
Everyone can see that we have little to offer when it comes to scoring goals and that is down to the January window. That was the difference tonight Chelsea took half chances we failed to take clear chances.
We should have had a penalty. I don't think it's corruption I just think refs get nervous about making decisions when so much hangs on the result. We've certainly had the wrong end of the stick too many times this season. The only time I have seen us getting the benefit of the doubt in decisions was with Poch when we were fighting for the league. Even then we didn't get anything at Chelsea of course. I get the impression ( and it's only that) that refs almost go with the flow so that successful teams get the rub of the green and struggling teams don't. Whatever it is the standard of decisons by VAR and refs is not good. I really think they should use VAR just for line decisions and not opinion matters. Unless they change the rules to remove any room for the refs decision and that would be to ruin football IMO.
Everyone can see that we have little to offer when it comes to scoring goals and that is down to the January window. That was the difference tonight Chelsea took half chances we failed to take clear chances.
You are far too harsh on Tel. He is young and developing and we are having to play him as first choice.
Danso is reliable, all defenders get bypassed otherwise there would be no goals. So I disagree with the severity of your criticism.
In short I am not going to lay the blame at the players or the managers door. We know where the blame lies, it lies with those who have the power to decide who plays for Spurs and who manages it. It is they who have failed to pay proper attention to the state of the squad and address the shortfalls when they had the chance.
That’s the problem though, Spurf. He’s not developing, he’s delivering the same empty performances for 18 months. He’ll show one flash of brilliance every 10 or so games. The rest of the time he’s just wasting possession or not using his brain. If you wanna see developing, just look at Kroupi or Rayan over at Bournemouth, they’re young players growing each week.
I like Danso but he didn’t have a good game. He was awkward in possession and switched off for the second goal. Granted he shouldn’t have had to switch off had Kolo Muani not be so damn useless but nonetheless he let runners get in behind him and then was easily beaten by the cut back.
Like I said, no starter could leave that field with their head held high.
How is a player supposed to develop in a team that has 3 managers in a season, doesn't know what it's doing. De Zerbi has made a difference and has tried to play a settled team once he had a chance to see our strengths and weaknesses but he can't do the job he wants to do until next season. So for me the players are the last piece of the screwed up jig saw. Example Porro is a very good player but in this team he often looks clueless. That's not Porro's fault because he has to work with Muani who probably is clueless.
Chelsea have a few players like ours that also look clueless but they do have some quality up front which we dont have.
I'm mystified by the complete cold shoulder to Archie Gray, who iirc hasn't played a single minute under De Zerbi, despite being one of the few relatively good performers under Frank and Tudor.
So you admit he’s not developing then.
I agree the managerial merry go round hasn’t helped but that doesn’t mean you can’t expect to see some individual quality occasionally. Tel so often just wastes possession and runs into blind alleys, his footballing IQ is so, so poor. It’s also worth pointing out that this isn’t some untested academy lad either, it was a £30m purchase from Bayern who actually had to be persuaded to join us in the first place and who has around 150 first team appearances to his name already.
He’s just a bad player, being young doesn’t negate it.
The team is not developing. I see judgements made on players all the time and often they are wrong. Players are all different and opinions on them differ too. I think it's very difficult to judge any players in the Spurs team atm because the team has been so poor over the season. Having said that, some we can see because they have been around for some time Richarlison for example. He has been with us since 2022 FFS
it's only this season that he has played for any length of time because of injury. Now it's clear he is just not good enough for what we need as a striker. Tel on the other hand has only had 11 starts for Spurs that IMO is not enough to form a definitive judgement, especially in a disfunctional team.
@Spurlock another 90 minutes of agony for you guys, genuinely thought you might get that point tonight. Expect Moyes will be wanting to do West Ham a favour, so going to make it interesting for us neutrals.
Would have posted this on the Prem board section but got some dumb intolerable Arsenal fan spamming the place out for some reason tonight.Thankfully he's banned from here.
Media blackout for me bro
Can't be dealing with it
Weekend going to be squeaky bum time
not looking forward to it
He started against Sunderland, and had to be subbed off as he had a complete 'mare
Likely why Bergvall is bench-riding too
I totally agree re Tels limitations and some of his decisions. Just see a player in there .... somewhere...unlike the others.Tel is woeful, mate. Pretty much zero end product and his footballing intelligence is only marginally better than someone like Werner, as we saw last week when he thought doing an overhead kick in his own box was a good idea. Having a good attitude counts for little when you actually offer nothing most of the time. Gallagher and Richarlison generally have good attitudes too…
Lenient on Kinsky as well, if Vicario was in goal for that Fernandez strike you’d be calling for him to be beheaded
As for Kinsky, yes I said he should/could probably have stopped it, but it would have beaten a lot of keepers. There's little or no criticism of him for it online or sports reports either - only on Not606News!!
.Would I have been more critical of Vicario? Quite possibly - but only because shot-stopping was his single virtue. If he stops doing that....
VdV was far more at fault defensively than Danso for the 2nd. Completely in no mans land, facing the play but didn't close down the goalscorer.
Danso isn't ****ing Franz Beckenbauer, but he's not the problem either.