Match Day Thread Away to Aston Villa

RogerisontheHunt said:

I said most, not all.

Guardiola you can ignore, he's been at 3 clubs two of whom had the resources to dominate their home leagues, the other he had a bunch of generational talents. Not saying he hasn't been a successful coach, but the odds have been stacked in his favour
Klopp proved himself as the upstart who challenged Bayern. Yes Dortmund were better than alot of the teams in the league but weren't the best and had to work to be. Also he'd done the work with Mainz so knew nothing was taken for granted.
Ancelotti had been at alot of clubs before coming to England
Conte had proved himself at lower Italian clubs before going to Juventus.

Mourinho is probably the exception, Porto were the best team in the league and really didn't have to work that hard to win the league at the time. But he did benefit from an explosion in Portuguese football talent. And lets not forget his style of football was dire and has been sacked more times than he's been successful.

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Still wouldn’t say most foreign managers fail. Look at the British managers who fail. The usual suspects taking on prem clubs and getting them relegated only to be appointed at the next and then fail again.

Hughes, pullis, alladyce, Dyche, Hodgson, Warnock, Bruce.

I don’t think nationality or experience in the prem has anything to do with being successful though. Vastly overrated IMO.

How many managers managed in the prem for another team before they moved to a new club and won the league? Only ones can think of is Kenny and Ranieri. I know can go back old div 1, but before my time and probably not relevant to the current just due to landscape of football and the influx of foreign managers now.

Now don’t get me wrong, I’m first to say Slot tactic of taking odd defender throwin on forward is ridiculous, same as shoving midfielders in defence, but don’t think it’s because managers just used to doing in other leagues and it working.

Don't think you need to assign it to foreign or British etc, most managers fail (in terms of what we expect from a manager)

THE FOOL said:

If this is the case, I reckon it's a good job we never took him on.

****ed off by Madrid, then happy to sign for the **** show that is Chelsea.

Exactly how good can his judgement be.

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I like Xabi but I've felt all along that I'm not certain that he's the answer just because Slot isn't.

Zanjinho said:

Don't think you need to assign it to foreign or British etc, most managers fail (in terms of what we expect from a manager)

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Can't disagree with that, most managers fail when moving to bigger clubs, if they didn't we'd still have the same set of managers in charge of the PL clubs for decades.

The point wasn't so much who fails, but why they do.
Lets look at Slot:
He had a year at Cambuur in the 2nd tier, they are a regular yo-yo dutch team, so in the 2nd tier they are one of the better teams. They failed to be promoted that year but came close.
He was rewarded with a move to AZ as assistant with the idea he'd move to be head coach, the 4th best team in the dutch league, finishing 4th and 3rd, exactly where they are supposed to.
He then fell out with AZ because he angling to get a move to Feyenoord, which he did. Obviously they are on of the big three dutch clubs and have a massive advantage over the rest of the league (bar two clubs)

Before us he'd been in management 7 years with 3 clubs and in 3 cases he was at clubs that expected to win most of their games just because they are better than the rest. It's no wonder his tactics are limited to predictable formations and regular players and his subs are just throw another forward/defender on, his experience is that this stuff probably worked for him the past. Also the shutting up shop after being 1-0 up, again this probably worked for him in the past as the competition was relatively weak compared to his teams. Tactics don't need to be as clever, fitness isn't a priority, all you need is a few really talented players.

The PL doesn't work like that, aside from maybe 1 or 2 teams at the bottom, the relative strength of the clubs is more closely balanced. The big clubs are often beaten by mid and lower table teams, who have the quality to win games but lack the consistency to challenge for titles. It means the big clubs need to be more nimble and creative with their tactics and must be ready to outrun every team in the league, there are no rest games where you can take it easy and still win.

quinneristops said:

I wonder what FSG think is going to change under Slot. Things are going from bad to worse

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Proper ****ed off with the thinking behind the scenes. We might not even qualify for CL but even if we do it's because of the 5th spot coming available so quite simply Slot did not manage the very basic task of getting top 4.