Off Topic Non-Sunderland games
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100% this it is really killing the game ref scared to make decisions just relying on VAR to make them for them yes refs make mistakes but VAR make just as many
The thing is, I wonder if it would be any different without var. refs have always been biased to big teams. It’s obvious the decisions which go their way which don’t involve VAR. I hate VAR, but I don’t think that it would have a massive impact on game outcomes personally. Just that it delays the same decisions being made!
Just found a Celtic video “alternate angle” that they say 100% proves the handball.
It doesn’t fir me, still only a possible handball, nothing concrete.
HOWEVER. What the video does show, is that the guy taking the throw had one of his feet off the ground when he releases the ball. How come VAR didn’t look at that as it has a direct input?
It doesn’t fir me, still only a possible handball, nothing concrete.
HOWEVER. What the video does show, is that the guy taking the throw had one of his feet off the ground when he releases the ball. How come VAR didn’t look at that as it has a direct input?
At least when the ref makes it there is the real time excuse, which is valid!
Now we have it being used completely differently to how it was meant to be, if you need a few minutes and multiple angles its not clear and obvious.
Worst thing about it all though including referees on the pitch is the big club bias. How many things against Man Utd weren't looked at for more than 5 seconds because it was a decision that would have been for us but I have no doubt of it was down the other end they would have rewound, moved angles, zoomed in, slowed down and anything else they could do to give them something.
That West Ham goal against Arsenal shows it. You can actually hear them humming and hawing on the video as they try to find a way to dissalow the goal! If you have any doubt it should go with on field decision!
We have had a few decisions and saves by VAR this season but we have also had some that they haven’t even looked for a second and the decisions on the field were clear and obvious! Two that spring to mind are Le Fee wiped out against Brighton i think it was and the handball against Everton, won't get into Ballard one as I think that is down to trying to hammer the hair pull rule more than VAR being completely incompetent!
The trajectory of the ball suggests that's hit his head. It's not rebounding like that off his hand. Anyway if his hand were in front of a body part it's valid to use still no pen for me. Never given other way round.
I always remember Elf's poor pass to O9 in the manu away match, where O9 had to stretch for the challenge on the manu player. VAR couldn't wait to flag the Red. I've seen a load worse challenges by the big six and no further action taken. Bias and corrupt. Bin VAR.
It's the one thing that does my head in! Ridiculous the level of bias but what makes me laugh is fans of those clubs will tell you that the bias is against them!
Weren't there Man U fans saying that the ref was for us all day? Fu cking madness!
I disagree. I think it’s an easy call. I cannot see any definitive evidence which categorically says the ball hit his hand, and even less to say it wasn’t an accident! (And can prove with 100% certainty that it was a foul throw!)
There was a worse one in the same game. City away it was not Man U, but the challenge on mukiele was much more dangerous and far more intentional! But VAR left that alone at a yellow
It's just how I saw it. On the different replays (admittedly on a tablet rather than a tv) the ball has travelled a long way and hits the lad's hand. There is good reason to think it's an accident but the ball travelling so far counts against the defender imo.
If it's a foul throw then that's a very bad oversight and should overturn the handball. Probably not procedure to do so but, like they do in cricket, they should check it's a fair delivery!
They are biased without knowing it sometimes. But they are holding back the inevitable IMO.
Hearts have Tony Bloom, and jamestown analytics with them now. They have also had James Anderson, an extremely wealthy bloke helping them for the last few years,and who got Bloom interested. Everywhere they have been, as we know, the improvement has been exponential, and they have just started at Hearts. Half of the squad was bought using their help last summer, for net buttons, and they are thirty or so points nearer Celtic.
The Old Firm have much bigger revenues, but Hearts will close that gap, by player trading and getting into the ECL. If they don't win it on Saturday, it's coming as sure as night follows day. And Hearts, I think, are still mostly owned by the fans, though someone might know different.
I like the unconscious bias you mention. Similar to West Ham's equaliser against Arsenal where in the back of the minds of the VAR team is the thought 'Bottom 3 side West Ham have equalised against top of the table Arsenal so there is probably a high chance that a foul occurred'. Even if they try to be objective and impartial.
Thanks re: Tony Bloom and Jamestown analytics. Good info and insight.
I was reading up about jamestown. They are a secretive lot, for obvious reasons. But they are smart, and when they go in with a club, it's the only one club in that country. Four of them are all doing much, much better than they had been.
Bloom is a serious mathmetician, and maths for eggheads is what they use in the data bit of their analytics. Most of it way beyond me, and they must use a lot of other tools. Seems to be a bit of super screening method, where they take a lot of the risk out of buying a player.
Others are doing it, and one day they will no doubt catch up. But jamestown seem to be well ahead right now.
Middlesbrough have issued a statement in which they call for Southampton's expulsion from the Championship play-off final.
Boro will not be permitted to take part in the hearing brought by the EFL over Saints' alleged spying at their Rockliffe Park training ground last Thursday in the build-up to the first leg of their play-off semi-final at the Riverside.
They describe the conduct as going against "sporting integrity and fair competition" and believe that a sporting sanction is the only fair outcome.
Southampton beat Boro in extra-time in the second leg to reach the final on 23 May against Hull City - but that may have to be rescheduled depending on the outcome of this hearing.
More to follow.
From the BBC
Boro will not be permitted to take part in the hearing brought by the EFL over Saints' alleged spying at their Rockliffe Park training ground last Thursday in the build-up to the first leg of their play-off semi-final at the Riverside.
They describe the conduct as going against "sporting integrity and fair competition" and believe that a sporting sanction is the only fair outcome.
Southampton beat Boro in extra-time in the second leg to reach the final on 23 May against Hull City - but that may have to be rescheduled depending on the outcome of this hearing.
More to follow.
From the BBC
I agree with Boro's stance. If Southampton have been seen to be spying on other clubs then not only be kicked out of the playoffs, then they should receive a huge points deduction for the start of next season
An acceptable outcome could be to replay the second leg on neutral ground.
Kick them out for me and a points penalty next season - if they are allowed to continue it sends a message out to all other clubs regarding breaking laws. Additionally how long have they been doing this would they have even got into the playoffs without the additional benefits?
Don’t agree with that.