The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Tuesday 12th May)

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Good Morning. It's Tuesday 12th May, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road

Hammers fans incensed by Jarred Gillett's officiating

West Ham United supporters took to social media in force last night to express their frustration with the refereeing performance during Tottenham Hotspur's 1-1 draw with Leeds at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. The result, which saw Tottenham move two points (plus a far superior goal difference) clear of West Ham with just two games remaining has plunged the East London club into serious jeopardy in their fight for survival, and must now beat Leeds on the last game of the season if they stand any chance of staying up.

Hammers fans watched on with growing disbelief as what they perceived as favourable decisions toward Tottenham unfolded, sparking accusations of corruption that dominated online discussion throughout the evening. The officiating, led by Australian referee Jarred Gillett, came under intense scrutiny multiple times. Whilst bad decisions is part and parcel of being a Leeds fan, there was a sense of satisfaction that supporters from another club, albeit with a vested interest were so incensed with some of the decisions made.

Karl Darlow became only the second Premier League keeper this season to be penalised for holding onto the ball for more than the permitted eight seconds. The rule, which mandates that goalkeepers must release the ball within eight seconds of gaining possession, was famously enforced on the opening day of the season during Tottenham's match against Burnley, when Martin Dúbravka was similarly punished, with a corner being awarded to the opposition. However, it has not been enforced since, leading to confusion and anger from the Leeds players, and the bench.

The first half produced what Leeds believed to be a clear penalty when Udogie dragged Calvert-Lewin to the ground inside the penalty area. However, VAR ruled that the Leeds forward was marginally offside, negating the potential spot kick and the red card that would have followed for Udogie as the last defender. The decision hinged on the precise moment when Brenden Aaronson released the ball, with the frame used for adjudication proving contentious. Independent social media site FutOffsides provided frame by frame evidence showing when the ball was played, DCL was onside. Had this decision stood, Leeds would have been awarded a a first half penalty and Udogie would have been sent for walkies back to the dressing room.
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Leeds eventually did receive their penalty, though only after a VAR intervention prompted Gillett to review the incident on the pitchside monitor. Mathys Tel caught Ethan Ampadu cleanly in the face with a high boot, forcing the referee to award the spot kick that ultimately secured Leeds their draw. The delay before the decision, however, only added to the frustration felt by the away side and those observers sympathetic to their cause, with the sense that officials needed external prompting to identify what appeared to be a straightforward foul.

Perhaps the most discussed element of the match was the extraordinary 13 minutes of stoppage time awarded at the end of the second half, which ultimately overran by an additional 90 seconds. The lengthy added period raised eyebrows, with neutrals and Leeds supporters alike questioning the justification for such an extended delay. Many interpreted the decision as an attempt to provide Tottenham with a final opportunity to secure victory, particularly given Leeds' well-documented struggles in injury time this season.

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"Leeds are decent, they should have won it" - Cundy

Former Tottenham Hotspur midfielder Jamie O'Hara engaged in a heated debate with fellow pundit Jason Cundy during talkSPORT Sports Bar last night, venting his frustration after what he described as another disappointing home performance from his beloved Spurs. The ex-White Hart Lane ace did not hold back in his criticism, admitting that watching his former team play football has become a painful experience that is literally giving him headaches. O'Hara vehemently disagreed with the notion that Tottenham's 1-1 draw against Leeds United constituted a good result, pointing out the damning statistic that Tottenham have now gone over five months without winning a single game at home, a run that has left him and countless other supporters utterly exasperated.

However, Jason Cundy offered a starkly different perspective on last nights result, reminding listeners that but for a brilliant save from goalkeeper Kinsky exclaiming "Leeds are decent; they should have won it, and you should have lost it." The talkSPORT panelist emphasised that over the course of the full ninety minutes, considering the quality and tenacity of the Leeds side, securing a point against such a disciplined and difficult-to-beat opponent should be viewed positively. Cundy even attempted to lighten the mood with his characteristic wit, quipping that the valuable point means Tottenham are now "further away from West Ham," though O'Hara was in no mood for humour, dismissing such remarks as meaningless when a club of Tottenham's stature cannot triumph on their own soil.

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Although Mr darlow had a couple of brain farts with his distribution he wasn't really called into game saving saves, unlike mr Kinsky who pulled off two excellent stops in denying Joe and Sean...so although our performance was disjointed and underwhelming for the most part we clearly have fight and spirit and but for those saves we clearly would have won it ...13 minutes of added time is for the birds(the cockerels to be precise)<doh>...why wasn't tel given any sort of card ?...ideal scenario for me is the hammers win at toon,spuds lose at chelski...hammers draw with us and spuds lose again at home on the last day..hammers survive hurrah <ok>
 
Morning all,

So that's the most fight I've seen from Spurs in a long time this season. They seemed well up for it for the most part.


Which says a lot for our "on the beach" patched together team last night. The fighting spirit in this squad/ team is clear to see and I will give credit where it is due to Farke and the senior players for that.
 
We were not at our best but we were not Villa and the integrity that is so lacking in certain aspects of this league was restored just a bit by us last night. That tells me that the team is on the same page as we are.
With our attitude we might be 'clean Leeds' now.
 
Although Mr darlow had a couple of brain farts with his distribution he wasn't really called into game saving saves, unlike mr Kinsky who pulled off two excellent stops in denying Joe and Sean...so although our performance was disjointed and underwhelming for the most part we clearly have fight and spirit and but for those saves we clearly would have won it ...13 minutes of added time is for the birds(the cockerels to be precise)<doh>...why wasn't tel given any sort of card ?...ideal scenario for me is the hammers win at toon,spuds lose at chelski...hammers draw with us and spuds lose again at home on the last day..hammers survive hurrah <ok>

One of the many vagaries of the rules of football, whereby tugging/pulling someone's hair is considered violent conduct and thus an instant red, but kicking someone in the face with your foot 5 foot off the ground isn't worthy of a yellow :emoticon-0138-think
 
Morning all

As it nears the end of a season, you just get used to bad referring decisions, bad VAR ones is harder to swallow, DCL was onside but if you are going to cherry pick a frame earlier or later it really is nonsense.

On the Spurs forum many are furious that we had the greater chances and could and should have won based on that alone.

I really hope West Ham beat Newcastle
 
Morning all,

So that's the most fight I've seen from Spurs in a long time this season. They seemed well up for it for the most part.


Which says a lot for our "on the beach" patched together team last night. The fighting spirit in this squad/ team is clear to see and I will give credit where it is due to Farke and the senior players for that.
its what i like about this team, bodies on the line, playing for each other even when we're sh*t
 
One of the many vagaries of the rules of football, whereby tugging/pulling someone's hair is considered violent conduct and thus an instant red, but kicking someone in the face with your foot 5 foot off the ground isn't worthy of a yellow :emoticon-0138-think

Indeed. I hear you. Guess the counter is that there's intent with hair pulling
 
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We were not at our best but we were not Villa and the integrity that is so lacking in certain aspects of this league was restored just a bit by us last night. That tells me that the team is on the same page as we are.
With our attitude we might be 'clean Leeds' now.
That’s the right word. We reintroduced integrity to the relegation battle <ok>
 
Morning all

As it nears the end of a season, you just get used to bad referring decisions, bad VAR ones is harder to swallow, DCL was onside but if you are going to cherry pick a frame earlier or later it really is nonsense.

On the Spurs forum many are furious that we had the greater chances and could and should have won based on that alone.

I really hope West Ham beat Newcastle
Spurs hammered us in the first half how we survived a three or four nil i will never know. Spurs so called glory fans must have watched a different game to me.
 
Spurs hammered us in the first half how we survived a three or four nil i will never know. Spurs so called glory fans must have watched a different game to me.
They only had 3 shots on target in whole game wakey. Granted it was all hands to the pump for 15-20 minute spell late in the first half and there were a few blocks and misses in there. But it was pressure and a few scrambles more than a catalogue of missed chances
 
The corrupt FA, sub standard officials and the VAR misfits collectively will do all they can to get the spuds over the line.
Why did that useless twat take nearly 5 mins to give the penalty for dangerous play, it should of been a red, what about that spud twat with the two footed tackle, just a yellow, 13 minutes of extra time… how? where did it come from, then that useless Aussie twat in the blue played another 90 secs over the time, it stinks, it’s a pity only 3 go down as I would love to see both “cockanee caants “ go down and watch Summerville crying like the baby he is.
 
The corrupt FA, sub standard officials and the VAR misfits collectively will do all they can to get the spuds over the line.
Why did that useless twat take nearly 5 mins to give the penalty for dangerous play, it should of been a red, what about that spud twat with the two footed tackle, just a yellow, 13 minutes of extra time… how? where did it come from, then that useless Aussie twat in the blue played another 90 secs over the time, it stinks, it’s a pity only 3 go down as I would love to see both “cockanee caants “ go down and watch Summerville crying like the baby he is.
105:18 to be exact so over two minutes added on
 
We moan about VAR but the refs in the Championship were awful. Boro had a stonewall penalty at the start of the second half, ref said it was the chest!