Off Topic The politics thread - Starmer/Reeves/Farage etc.

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Ronsafc said:
Thing is, wind and solar are not base load power, take solar, if it was to produce 50% of capacity you would need to produce 3 × the amount of gas, coal and also extra. storage
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Yes, that's the bit in yellow above - the extra costs of providing gas/nuclear backup when there's no renewables. So, this graph says it's STILL cheaper to instal solar and wind energy, then use gas when there's not enough of those, compared to using gas all the time

Here's a nice site https://grid.iamkate.com/ - tells you how much electricity is being generated by which means
 
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Cockney Red n White said:
Electricity Generation - Below is the results from an OBR report from 2023. The "enhanced levelised costs" includes upgrading the grid and additional cost accrued by, e.g. wind to allow for the fact that it's inherently unreliable. NB the gas cost in BLUE - the "invasion" is Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Obviously, gas prices are even higher with the military action in Iran, so the levelised cost of generation with gas is higher than the blue section now. So, even when you take grid upgrades into account, onshore and offshore wind and solar are still cheaper than gas, and they are immune to shocks in gas prices

The ONLY economies that still use coal as its main source of energy are South Africa, India, China and Poland. China is the only major one and 2026 will be the peak of its carbon emissions, since it is investing waaaay more heavily in renewables, planning to only use coal for non windy/sunny days. In the UK, generating using coal would be 40% more expensive than gas and 130% the cost of renewables

UK largely stopped mining coal because it was peak Maggie capitalism and it was just cheaper to buy from abroad, plus, as you say, gas had been discovered in the North Sea and generating electricity from gas was/is cheaper than from coal.

So, the reason that our energy prices are the most expensive is that we use too much gas. And the reason that jet fuel and diesel are up in price is that these are world commodities - unless your government are controlling your country's supply, you have to buy on the world market which is currently f**ked

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Germany still uses 24% coal as part of its mix, and it's coal is the dirtiest type lignite, I still say we got rid of coal too early on the alter of net zero zealots. Once nuclear can take over we could then move away from coal.
On the grid costs, that is to do with the renewables being away from the current grid so massive amounts of new transmission lines need installing at a very fast pace.
 
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Don't want to parrot labour posts, but they do have a point. An aspiring national government and aspiring council leaders failing to take responsibility for recruitment of corrupt, idiotic and bile candidates. They aren’t electable but people on here will vote for them anyway like dimwits when they will be responsible for public services.
 
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Should we just pretend again that we don’t know about the Green candidates who have been arrested for possessing child abuse images and slavery?

Who is vetting people for that party?
 
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RTB said:
As this has now turned into the UK energy thread, can anyone tell me how much it will cost to safely store the radioactive waste from nuclear power for the next x million years.
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You'll not have to worry about that if the likes of Millibund gets his way. We will all be freezing to death, unable to travel, heat the home, make anything and more to the point starve to death because he wants to pollute the fields with Solar panels and wind farms well before that problem arises.. Well all be dead to worry about any nuclear contamination.

I much prefer the method Cuba has adopted. They are the only country to achieve 100% the green agenda. They may all be starving to death but at least they have nice weather for it.
 
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Interesting article for progressives. At the beginning, it's about Labour trying to change the narrative with regards Brexit, but the 2nd half is about dishonesty in politics from all sides. If you're on the right, I would suggest you don't read it. You're not going to agree with him. There's no point in you trying to rebut it because it's this guy's opinion, albeit based on facts

https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2026/04/bad-vibes.html
 
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The Redbaron said:
You'll not have to worry about that if the likes of Millibund gets his way. We will all be freezing to death, unable to travel, heat the home, make anything and more to the point starve to death because he wants to pollute the fields with Solar panels and wind farms well before that problem arises.. Well all be dead to worry about any nuclear contamination.

I much prefer the method Cuba has adopted. They are the only country to achieve 100% the green agenda. They may all be starving to death but at least they have nice weather for it.
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Genuinely don't get why you think this. As I showed in my earlier post, green energy is cheaper than gas.

You can grow crops around wind turbines, so they don't take up much space. Climate change is a much bigger threat to food security because, whether the uk gets hotter or colder, we will have to adapt. And though we can change what we grow, farming is just a part of an ecosystem and if e.g. bees go extinct here due to climate stress, we have problems with pollination. I do 'get' that UK reducing GG emissions won't prevent UK from experiencing climate change, but being amongst the world leaders allows us to export solutions, so creates high value jobs

Cuba is a lovely country, but their form of communism isn't working. They really need green technology but they don't have currency to invest
 
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Cockney Red n White said:
Genuinely don't get why you think this. As I showed in my earlier post, green energy is cheaper than gas.

You can grow crops around wind turbines, so they don't take up much space. Climate change is a much bigger threat to food security because, whether the uk gets hotter or colder, we will have to adapt. And though we can change what we grow, farming is just a part of an ecosystem and if e.g. bees go extinct here due to climate stress, we have problems with pollination. I do 'get' that UK reducing GG emissions won't prevent UK from experiencing climate change, but being amongst the world leaders allows us to export solutions, so creates high value jobs

Cuba is a lovely country, but their form of communism isn't working. They really need green technology but they don't have currency to invest
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Cuba is a wonderful country spoiled by the narrow minds of a communist regime. You ask a Cuban family what they want in life and n you've given them some pens, pencils, rubbers and writing paper? A few second hand T shirts, shorts and dress'es?
It's stability, the right to live, not just survive. That's having to grow your own food, struggle for a few dollars. Without gas, petrol, food, even water at times it's what's coming here with the green agenda...

I know, I've been. Nice place to live if you want the green type of life.
 
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The Redbaron said:
Cuba is a wonderful country spoiled by the narrow minds of a communist regime. You ask a Cuban family what they want in life and n you've given them some pens, pencils, rubbers and writing paper? A few second hand T shirts, shorts and dress'es?
It's stability, the right to live, not just survive. That's having to grow your own food, struggle for a few dollars. Without gas, petrol, food, even water at times it's what's coming here with the green agenda...

I know, I've been. Nice place to live if you want the green type of life.
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America is a lovely country ruined by nationalists and capitalism
 
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I continuously pointed out that using a single person/event as evidence of a pattern (I'm a scientist; it isn't), some people on here continue to post stuff about a single person/event. So, I guess you prefer reading that, so ... Brexit
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