saruman was the leader of the wizards sent to middle earth in human form to challenge sauron, and he made some mutant orcs and they were easily identified with the white hand of saruman, they were much better at marching during daylight for one, and mordor orcs were the run of the mill saurons orcs from the land of mordor, essentially both are the same pretty much and i think its a good summary of those from stoke and its vales
Kim Hellberg certainly did well at the two club he managed in the Allsvenskan. He got Hammarby (the 3rd big club in Stockholm - think Spurs) to their highest finish in over 20 years coming second in his first year in charge and then did it again this season. I would think the Championship is a step up in quality though. I hope he takes a bit of time finding his feet
Makes me wonder why so many clubs are prepared to take a risk on an overseas manager, don't we have any British managers? Loads of players do their coaching badges. Read the other day no English manager has won the Premier league.
one of saurons orcs accuses a saruman orc of eating fellow orcs, which they denied think thats another good metaphor for those from stoke i mean they do put a full english in an oat cake after all