Off Topic What grinds your gears

Could well be.
It does seem a slightly odd tax when you consider the idea was to use electric vehicles to be more environmentally friendly (yeah I know there’s an argument about that, but that’s not my point) hence tax breaks for buying or leasing them and yet they then add tax for using them.
Probably reasonable given the issues of damage to roads using heavier electric vehicles, problems putting them out when they catch fire etc. It’s just the issue of different taxes seeming to cancel each other out that seems odd.

 

You still get a tax break for owning an electric car, the pay per mile charge they’re introducing is still way less than the average fuel duty per mile that an ICE vehicle pays.

The tax breaks were an incentive to get people to switch but there was always going to be a tipping point where take up was high enough that the lost tax revenue would need to be addressed.

 

Lots of grumbling this morning (not on here) about EV's no longer being a cheap option. Oh, so you didn't buy one for environmental reasons then?

 

All the pointless "safety" stuff in new cars which most people just turn off
which must contribute to the high price of new cars

 

Once you have the big main bits like the computer and sensors it's cheap to get them to do more things..

 

Can't be arsed to go into details but this budget is one of the worst. It hits the middle earners the most.

Im going to be £100 a month worse off and that's without taking into account the stealth tax of freezing your personal allowance and tax bands. If I could do my job abroad without having to retrain I'd be off.

I truly believe the government are trying to get rid of the middle earners and just have the top 1% and then everyone else in poverty

 

A fair post, spring, but not everyone sits on their arse watching TV or internet with their spare time. I don't want to sacrifice my Saturday morning queuing for a pig head, offal and the bank - I'd rather be taking my dog out in the rain or ideally ****ing my ex wife after an espresso, than making small talk with Arkwright about the price of tea.

I agree with you about takeaways and processed food, but as an aside, ppl ate more salt and saturated fat per head in the 1950s than these days - canned, processed meat, food fried in lard, ****ty white bread in the 1970s, sugary cereals etc - it wasn't all healthy food compared to now. We always look back on the past as better, but it's not always true. The supply of fresh food and meat is better than it ever was.

The options are there today in the uk, from what i saw last year (it may have changed?) - the small shops and farm shops (often operating online) and the corporations. Everyone makes their own choice according to tastes and income.

 

Entirely cost. Lower MVA/vat on the car purchase, it costs me the equivalent of £12 to charge for 1000km, which costs me approximately £70 for 1000km (varies depending on diesel price) in my old diesel and then servicing costs are far reduced and spread out km-wise. Over the lifetime of the car, it's a no-brainer, plus you can't really buy fossil fuel personal cars here anymore, apart from perhaps one model per make and high-end sports cars.

 

Totally agree.

 

electric cars should be cheaper as they are far 'simpler' than ice engines, less maintanence needed, way less moving parts etc etc
and a bonus is pedestrians dont breathe in diesel fumes
so its a win win

 

Doing what with your ex wife!!!!

 

I really notice it Bergen compared to 15 years ago. When it was below 0 degrees or over 20, there's no wind and all the car fumes would sit in the city, trapped by the surrounding mountains and the air quality was **** - now the number of fossil fuel cars has reduced by 90%, plus the old-style wood burning stoves being banned, it's better. Hopefully they will start regulating the cruise ships better soon to make it even cleaner.

 

No better way to reinvigorate a dying sex life than getting divorced, Jim.

 

Surely it would be cheaper to get a mistress?

 

the manufacture requirements of evs etc is a different story, but the actual effects of electrical vehicles when on the road, on residents and pedestrians health, is incredible
plus the sound is so much quieter, its just winning all around

 

I can't handle disappointing two women, Jim..

 

One other plus when people 'grazed' around different shops for the produce, and didn't use the car as much was that it encouraged shopping locally. This meant that there were more people about, and strangers stood out, meaning crime and criminals were easier to spot.

Now we have massive CCTV coverage and mobile phones with cameras, yet lower detection and prosecution rates.

 

Don't let Norm see this post.

 

So a question.... plug in hybrid is 1.5 per mile... mine does a max 23 miles between charge (put defroster on and lights make it 12) . I dont use it (probably recharge when it reaches 10) and as soon as I get on the motorway it kicks into petrol mode... how can they say what I have done under electric power. if I do 15k miles a year and pat tax on fuel for say 14500 of it... cig packet economics...