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  1. ImpSaint

    ImpSaint Well-Known Member

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    Lol. I have no answer for that one. lol again.
    George Orwell:
    "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

    What Owen Jones would say (or probably do while actually hypocrtically saying what George Orwell said)
    "I disapprove of what you say, and I'm gonna do my utmost to arrange pile ons and counter demonstrations to stop you saying it and get you de-platformed"
     
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    He is a bit precious. I have a picture in my mind of IOAG looking a bit like Owen Jones....obviously without the cross dressing element.
     
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    Owen Jones Cross dresses? Are you spreading rumours?
     
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    Brought up by his parents to wear girls clothes when small. A bit of an exageration but some truth , i believe.
     
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  5. ImpSaint

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    Rather than you or I agreeing that we disagree on this......in a different vein this is quite interesting. An X poster trying to debate with Grok about tropes and including this image within it (full thread below)
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    Well some people may perceive him as that I suppose.
     
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    Pedant alert;
    That quote is usually attributed to Voltaire, not George Orwell.
     
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    I stand corrected. I am one of the very many that believes/d it originated from Orwell
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    So maybe I should use this one in retort to an Owen Jones = Orwell statement (also thank you for increasing my knowledge ;) )
    "If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear,"
     
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    "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" is often attributed to Voltaire but it was actually written by Evelyn Beatrice Hall in her 1906 biography of Voltaire, The Friends of Voltaire.
    Pedantically yours StJab.
     
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    That's us all even more educated :D Thank you as well.
     
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  11. ImpSaint

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    On the subject of caricatures or imagery "seen to be anti-semitic" there is the 2005 Labour set of posters, one presenting Michael Howard (who was Jewish but not a hypnotist) as a hypnotist and both Michael Howard and Oliver Lettwin (who are both Jewish) as pigs (albeit with wings to present them as flying pigs) and the forgiven darling of the remain and anti right camp.....Alistair Campbell saying he didn't know. They were pulled eventually but they were actual Labour party posters! Full size billboard adverts...while in power.....general election posters!
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    And the Guardian's caricature of Richard Sharp exiting the BBC which they got rebuked over in '23 which they also pulled.

    My point however is on the reform one, which should be pulled if not already if it is seen to be anti semitic, is that all the tropes people online (yes I had a look) of:
    Exagerated hooked nose, toothy grin, bearded, mind control are so spurious in that..........this caricature has given him a smaller nose than real images, he actually does have a toothy grin, the caricature is not bearded it is evening shadow just like the real man and he is actually a hypnotist anyway. The "spooky colour scheme and green eyes" is because of halloween and erm....Green party. they haven't made him darker skinned either like some online have claimed, that is to do with the themed hue of the image (Halloween, low light)

    But in the climate we are in, I agree foolish to put it out. Even if a random councillor feeding some data into AI for giggles they should have enough brain cells to first take a good 10 minutes thinking about if there is anything in this picture that could be used against me.

    I can't see how anyone would go from that Polanski image directly to the German one that Beyond posted up but I guess if people have organically immediately made a connection between a green face on a Nazi poster to a full bodied character on a greenish background then people should think twice because politics is one of those professions where you don't want to present any opportunity to opponents as you waste time defending yourself instead of attacking them or promoting your own policies.

    To my (uneducated??) eyes its just halloween themed political ridicule....of someone who actually is (or was) a hypnotist.
     
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