Off Topic Starmer/ Reeves: last man standing

Ha’way man marra, they've had 1 year 4 months man marra... Starmer oot

 

Brexit did not fk the economy up. What made the biggest impact was the £500bn of spending on COVID and energy subsidies.

For the years 2016 to 2020 the UK outperformed the EU generally in every year, and every country other than Germany and for two of the years France , though the latter very marginally. This is a very low bar mind, and even lower now.

Post COVID it has done the same generally , but not outperformed Italy or France, although the latter mostly due to giant energy subsidies, now drawn back.

Some things have been worse of course, some better. In 2021 and 2022 exports to the EU broke records in successive years. Small businesses have suffered at the hands some of intransigent countries' deliberate efforts to obstruct trade, despite a free trade deal with the EU.

It could and should have been handled much better, but the BBC line of "catastrophe" does not bear scrutiny. It could have been made up by the same people who have been making Panorama recently.

Nor was immigration the fault of Brexit. It was the fault of a useless government who turned a blind eye to it, while saying they wanted it to stop. Nothing changing there.

 

It's not long.

But they had four years with Starmer as leader. Four years to work out some sort of plan. Two if those in the almost absolute certainty that they would be in power.

That IS a long time. And the first thing they could think of doing , after all that time, was to attack pensioners, and whack billions into public sector pay packets.

They will not recover from that.

 

In that short spell they have lurched from 1 mistake to another. To have such a majority, and so many tap ins to start in a positive way, yet they have made themselves seem unelectable again already. It has been an awful 20%+ of their term of office.

 

The big bloody mess left by the tories will probably take two terms to sort. Let's see how they deliver the first steps to recovery in the next year or two.

 

An ultranationalist - Trump
authoritarianism - Trump
Centralised control - Trump
Suppression of opposition - Trump
Discriminatory - Trump
Which part of him isn’t an aspiring fascist ?
Who does Farage mimic?

 

Do you support Reforms economic plans?

 

Sorry I disagree, Brexit has massively damaged our economy and contributed to record immigration imho. The consensus of experts told us what would happen and they were right and Farage, Hove and Johnson were wrong.

I do agree the last government mismanaged immigration, mainly through the big cuts to border staff and therefore not processing migrants quickly enough which led to the hotel issue. This government has and is recruiting staff to tackle the issue (300+ at the last count i believe) but it’s going to take time to get on top of the issue.

Sadly an opportunist protest politician (who mainly caused the problem) can tell everyone can fix it overnight. Sadly he is the problem
Not the solution.

 

Why has brexit failed. Can you explain to me a person right of centre ,not got a degree but understands economic a bit.
If it failed, that means less goods produced so less people employed and reduced profits, yet you and the left experts say this would happen and also country would still need to have massive immigration, iTunes not compute to my uneducated mind.
Are these the same experts that told reeves that the best way to improve productivity and reduce inflation is to hike up taxes for businesses , look where that has got the country.

 

Possible tax per mile for EV drivers

These clowns have no shame do they. You do your best, as advised by govt, to help with climate. Oh hang, we will tax you because it is not fair fossil fuel users have to pay more...

I dont drive an EV by the way.

 

Must admit I creased up laughing when I saw that on the news this morning, I thought how gullible anyone believing this Labour government.
They might not do it yet, but I doubt it.
The mileage will probably be taken from the MOT certificate and paid yearly I guess, maybe they have another way though.

 

How many cars will not get an MOT, a new type of car identification is required now ,how many cloned cars are on the road now, it's scary reading reports of the stress people are having to go through to prove it was not them committing an offence.
We need something like a dedicated identity for all vehicles that is detectable and visable and cannot be altered. What it could be is any ones guess

 

Buy an EV they said then the penny dropped **** if everyone bought an EV we'd loose billions, quick we need to tax EVs.

 

Looking at getting an EV next year through my employer, wonder how that would work. Would it be an added tax to the employer, then passed on to the employee?

If this tax comes in I may just stick to petrol.

 

Its a ridiculous idea.

 

They already do - road tax will apply to EVs and vehicles over £40k.
When everyone moves to electric there will be another massive black hole from the drop in fuel duty.

 

A government spokesperson told the BBC: "Fuel duty covers petrol and diesel, but there's no equivalent for electric vehicles. We want a fairer system for all drivers."

What bit about fairer do you not like?

 

If they want a fairer system why not ring fence vehicle taxes to maintaining roads and not taking extra and use as a cash cow for other pet projects

 

But that already exists to some extent
Charging at home off peak is about 7pence per Kilowatt hour if you charge anywhere else it leaps up to 8 times that or more. So any EV driver who does a lot of miles is already being ripped off for refuelling their vehicle.

 

, they might look at a way of taxing you when you charge your car at home