Will Still does one

Sacked by Saints

 

No shock there…..thank **** Acun didn’t go down that path….
Yet another coach who is committed to only 1 way off playing, just like our mad German…. Or the fraud Aussie coach who somehow won trophies

 

A relatively antiquated way of playing by 2025 standards. It’s not 2010 anymore.

 

i guess this answers the question of

will will still still be the manager by weekends end?

 

Dead men walking...Mart Ciffy at Uncle Fester, Capt Mannering at Narwych, Will I'aint at Souths...

One out of three ain't bad. Can't imagine the other two will be too far behind him.

 

brendan rogers inc?

 

The Aussie who completely changed his style in the final in order to win said trophy? That one?

 

yes that exact one

 

Well done on the bite.

 

Will Still is another manager that wouldn't surprise me if he went on to do well somewhere.

Like Marco Silva I guess - most managers have a bad club in them somewhere.

 

Was just listening to The Second Tier this morning and they made the same point, the underlying data actually showed that Southampton were looking reasonable, just couldn't get the results, whether because of confidence or whatever it may have been.

 

...for example, having a **** manager?

 

That would run counter to the idea that the underlying data was actually quite reasonable for them. If the structure and tactics are getting good numbers but a striker is fluffing his chances in front of goal, is it a **** manager or **** performances?

If we have McBurnie up front instead of Joseph and McBurnie finishes chances that Joseph misses is Jak a mastermind or does he have a better player at his disposal?

Selles got the boot at Sheff Utd and they haven't seen a sudden uptick under Wilder..

 

Not sure about that, in the same amount of games they’ve won 3 times and scored 8 times the amount of goals.

 

You're right, promotion form.

In the same number of games Selles got (5), Wilder had them scoring 3 goals, not 8, so not sure your maths is on track.

I've picked a game at random. Sheff U v Boro. Sheff U had 0.87 xG but scored no goals and lost the game. In a random 1-0 under Wilder against Oxford, Sheff created a massive 0.02 more xG!!! 0.89 xG for the match and they won 1-0.

Wilder also conceded 1.62 xG to Oxford in that game, suggesting that Sheff U got lucky they didn't capitalise on their chances.

Almost as if football can be a game of fine margins at times, eh.

Southampton under Still consistently created a lot of xG (i.e. high quality chances). If his system was getting players in the position to create a high volume and quality of chances but they weren't putting them away, is that the manager under performing or the players?

 

Selles had 6 games and lost them all scoring 1 goal.

 

He had 5 league games. They scored 1 goal. In five games Wilder's side scored 3 goals. Selles also managed a Cup game in which they scored, so if you want to count him as managing 6 games then his side scored 2 goals. If you want to count six games then Wilder's side scored 6 goals, so still only 3 times as many in a very small sample. Is this going to be like when you thought they didn't score against Bristol City and then realised you were looking at the wrong game?

Given Wilder's side only scored 6 goals in 6 games I don't even know how your maths came out at a multiple of 8.

 

I just googled it and it said 6 straight defeats and one league goal, which I’d presumed would have been 6 league games. So wilders run included the Blackburn and Preston games.

Regardless, they have been exponentially better unless you’re really going to argue that 9 points and 9 goals isn’t much better than 0 points and 1 goal?

Don’t need to ask that question do I

 

So you were wrong.

It was an offhand comment in a thread about Southampton, you've somehow turned it into a huge discussion.

Still had good stats without the results. The end.

 

The only “underlying data” that matters is the points or lack of