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Off Topic Starmer/ Reeves: last man standing

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  1. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    If this country descends into a Farage lead chaos, those who keep upping the ante will be the first to complain.
     
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    There are a few saying a lot about a genuine error but little about Farage’s tax and housing manoeuvres. It’s worse than Reeves. Says he’s patriotic and uses clever accountancy to deprive our public services in favour of himself.
     
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  3. FellTop

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    You reap what you sow. Labour took the highest of high moral ground when in oppo. They literally set angelic standards of behaviour as the minimum standards. They are falling badly short of their own stated standards. It would be laughable if they were allowed to just get away with being what they claimed to oppose so vehemently.
     
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    The difference being that they did not pretend to be holier than thou.

    No politician had ever really done so before Starmer decided to announce himself as some latter day Saint of Standards. They know they will be judged by standards they cannot keep, so avoided playing Mr Perfect

    It was hubris in the extreme from Starmer, another example of his astonishing lack of political nous.
     
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  5. FellTop

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    Of course he is. But he wasnt part of the Labour oppo who went on attack after attack over ministerial standards. It appears the old adage of those in glass houses...

    Dare I say, the problem we face in our country right now is not how to stop Farage. But it is how to demand better from Labour. They are our elected govt. Have a huge majority and 4 years to make good on what might yet be traditional labour values. Do that and Farage does not win, Labour win. They, and dare I say some on our daft little forum, are too focussed on Farage, when we should be demanding more from Starmer. He is in the driving seat, he needs to start driving a better path and that should be our expectation.
     
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  6. rowley

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    Labour long ago drifted away from being a "working class" party I'm afraid, other than in their public rhetoric.

    Starmer is a metropolitan liberal who has always looked extraordinarily uncomfortable among normal people. He has never been among such people really, which isn't his fault, but in him this has produced a complete inability to connect.

    He won't be there at the next GE, and most likely will be gone far sooner. He is completely unsuited to the job.
     
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  7. FellTop

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    Agree mate. Not really sure when the drift occurred, but I felt so completely let down by Blair whom I voted for with enthusiasm.
     
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    I am apolitical, in the sense that I would never ( again!) be a party member. Or vote blindly for any coloured rosette , as if it were a football team.

    Labour started to drift around the turn of the century, becoming obsessed with identity politics and many changing causes , most of which do not resonate with most people.

    Don't be looking for a "nice guy". They don't exist in that world. Many of the most celebrated politicians of the past were not particularly nice people, some being outright horrible t***s.
     
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  9. Pure River Slut

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    Did Farage not call a press conference when Raynor went? I think he did
     
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