What you have to consider in that "creep up" is Kenneth Clarke became Justice minister and a lot of those short terms turned into community service! So of course the average term crept up when a lot of the lower terms were removed from actual custodial sentences! You can't just draw straight lines like that without deep diving as to what made that change.
It has been reported that this guy went back to reception after being released and was told again he was free! It would be pretty hard to find this was 1 person guilty. Sounds like multiple people just acting on whatever the paperwork said!
If the guy wasn't a deviant this would be a good episode of Porridge. Basically released against his own will and then sent away whilst trying to hand himself back in, sparking a national manhunt for a man who had no intention of escaping and by all accounts was wandering around London completely confused by the situation.
Reminds me of escapee, terrifying "super spy" and comedian Daniel Kaliffe. "I ****ed myself up" by clinging under a food truck to escape, "I dunno how immigrants do it!" Khaliffe wanted to "exude a sense of professionalism" Bond style by bringing a notebook and a change of clothes, only to be apprehended riding a bike along a nearby canal days later. "I never, ever thought it was a crime to "leave prison", I just thought it would be like, oh they catch you and put you back in... a case where I'd be on the news, I didn't think little Susie trying to go to Ibiza is gonna get her fricking plane cancelled and **** like that!"
Thanks for adding some context. I didn’t add an opinion, just showed the numbers. 2000s saw average sentences increase by around a month, whilst 2010s went up by 6 months https://data.justice.gov.uk/cjs-statistics/cjs-sentence-types community service has dropped significantly in the 2010s, from 12% of all sentences to 7%
I am glad to see Starmer having a pop against Farage for failing to condemn the opinions of his MP.who, we should recall , got elected by 6 votes. Time to get her removed.
Farage's Afghan immigrant rape and violent crime numbers debunked by the Times. Shown up to be lies and mis/disinformation that many of Reform statements consist of. https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17TfYJk7mG/
From Historic Southampton please log in to view this image On 18 July 1937, the British Union of Fascists leader Sir Oswald Mosley tried to hold a rally on Southampton Common. It did not go well. Be warned, this is a long post. “We don’t want Mosley!” was the cry from the anti-fascist protestors in the crowd. As soon as Mosley climbed up onto a van laden with loudspeakers to begin his address, boos and cries rang out from sections of the crowd. Some objects were thrown towards Mosley but this stopped after police officers moved to the part of the crowd they came from. Mosley, who would often be seen in an all-black military-style uniform and routinely gave and received the fascist salute from his supporters, spoke through the loudspeakers for around forty-five minutes. Throughout his speech, a section of the crowd close to him constantly interrupted him by shouting and singing songs. Richard Ball, a forty-year-old plumber of Knighton Road, tried to climb the ladder to get to Mosley, but he was set upon by Mosley’s bodyguards who attempted to pull him down. During the struggle he lost his trousers. Police reinforcements arrived and formed a cordon around the van. As Mosley climbed down from the roof, there was a rush towards him. Mosley was hit in the face by a stone and one of his bodyguards received a blow to the head. About a dozen police officers gathered up around Mosley and bundled him through the crowd to the Avenue, where he was placed on a tram for his own safety. Policemen piled onto the front and rear platforms to prevent anyone else from boarding and they wrenched cushions from seats and held them against the windows as makeshift barricades against missiles. Walter Harold Gorse, a twenty-two-year-old joiner’s mate of Palmerston Road, managed to smash one of the windows by throwing a stone. The police escorted Mosley directly to the South Western Hotel. Five protestors were arrested. Ernest Emery (22), an able seaman of Pansy Road, Alfred Leslie Pallett (17), a lorry driver’s mate of Wharf Street, Gordon Frank Pearce (22), a toolmaker of Winchester Road, plus Ball and Gorse, were all charged with either using threatening and insulting language or for throwing missiles. Gorse had thrown the stone that smashed the tram window. He was ordered to pay a twenty shilling fine as well as covering the cost of the window, which amounted to fifteen shillings and two pence. Pallett was found with stones in his pocket and was fined twenty shillings for committing a breach of the peace. After the police helped Mosley escape to the tram, Frank Pearce allegedly climbed onto the front of the it to block the driver’s view. The cases against Ball, Pearce, and Emery were dismissed. The chairman of the Southampton magistrates said: “These meetings, I suppose, will take place. We do not want a lot of disorder in Southampton, and we never do have it. The police had a very difficult job to undertake in dealing with so many people, and we think they dealt with it in a very fine way, because a lot of trouble might have been caused if they had not dealt with it properly. We congratulate the police on the way they managed it.” Mosley tried to hold another rally in another prominent port three months later. The people of Liverpool also came out to disrupt him and just like in Southampton, he was struck on the head by a stone. This one hospitalised him. There was a British Union of Fascists presence in Southampton before, during, and after Mosley’s shambolic rally. There were thousands in attendance on the Common on that day and whilst most were just curious citizens, there was certainly an organised anti-fascist presence, and Mosley did also have supporters in the crowd. In June 1934 - the same year it was reported in the press that the Southampton branch of the BUF (among others) had barred Jews from being members - the Reverend Rollo Pierce-Butler of the Southampton branch gave a talk at the British Legion at Netley, where he was given a ‘quiet hearing’. Pierce-Butler, who would become the vicar of the church at North Baddesley in 1936, had been Port Chaplain at Southampton since 1923. He said that ‘no one was more loyal to his King and country than the Blackshirt’ and claimed that ‘Fascists desired the spiritual and material rebirth of Great Britain’ because the ‘old political parties had failed in their tasks to make England happy and prosperous’. He denied that British Fascism was based on the policies of Hitler and Mussolini. One month later, Oswald Mosley’s mother, Lady Maud Mosley, gave an address in the Bassett garden of Rev. Pierce-Butler at a meeting organised by Pierce-Butler’s wife, Ethel, and Lady Elizabeth Verdon-Roe, the wife of Sir Alliott Verdon-Roe, the British aircraft pioneer and manufacturer who lived at Hamble. Lady Maud said fascism was not a political party; instead it strove to put an end to party politics. The BUF were ‘intensely patriotic’ and she stated: “Dictatorship is a silly, sloppy sort of word, but it really means leadership. The Lord knows this country wants leadership!” The Verdon-Roes had been supporters of the BUF during the 1930s. Incidentally, and tragically, two of their sons would be killed in action whilst fighting against fascism during the Second World War. One month after that, in August 1934, there was a BUF meeting at the Coliseum in Southampton. The speaker was William Joyce, the BUF’s director of propaganda and deputy leader. Joyce spoke for two hours about such things as the ‘alien elements’ that ‘polluted’ England. He defended fascism being a foreign movement, because Christianity also came from abroad. He said, “Fascists are nationalistic and patriotic and consider themselves free to choose from any part of the world any idea which may seem of value to their own civilisation.” He argued that the party system in Britain was ‘rotten’, democracy was ‘based upon the deception of the people by international financiers’, and ‘dictatorship is resolute leadership’. A large crowed gathered outside at the end of the meeting, around Portland Street and Portland Terrace. A portion of it chanted “We want Mosley!” but others disagreed. As the fascists left the meeting in cars and lorries, with the police clearing a way for them, a woman tried to pull one of the fascist supporters from the running board of a car, and there were both supportive cheers and cries of disapproval. In November 1935, there was a BUF meeting at the Atherley Hall on Howard Road in Shirley. The speaker was again William Joyce. Admission was free but you could buy a reserved seat from the shop of Murdoch, Murdoch and Co. (who sold pianos) on Above Bar Street, or the local BUF HQ at 64a Bellevue Road. William Joyce would be sacked from his paid position in the BUF in 1937 and shortly after the Second World War broke out in 1939 he fled to Nazi Germany with his wife. There, he became a newsreader - known as Lord Haw-Haw - broadcasting virulent Nazi propaganda to radio sets across Britain. After the war he was found guilty of treason and executed at Wandsworth Prison. In June 1936, the BUF advertised another ‘BLACKSHIRT MEETING’ at the Atherley Hall. The speaker this time was Mrs Anne Brock Griggs, whose title was given as ‘Woman Propaganda Officer’. Again tickets could be reserved at Murdoch, Murdoch and Co. or at the local BUF branch’s latest HQ at 3 Commercial Road. Less than four months after this, the Battle of Cable Street took place in East London, where organised and spontaneous anti-fascist protesters prevented Mosley from leading a military-style BUF march through the streets of London and Jewish neighbourhoods. Hundreds of thousands of people turned up to oppose Mosley’s provocative fascist march, including Londoners of all backgrounds, British Jews, socialist and communist groups, and trade unionists. The fighting was intense, the battle was violent, but the result was a decisive defeat of the BUF and a huge blow to their cause. What followed were a series of sackings and resignations and closer ties with Hitler’s Nazi Party. With funding coming in from Berlin, the BUF adopted a new name: The British Union of Fascists and National Socialists. One day after the battle, Mosley flew to Berlin to wed Diana Mitford at Joseph Goebbels’ house with Hitler as their guest of honour. Despite support for Mosley’s fascism in Southampton at this time, the party did hilariously badly in the 1937 municipal elections, which came just one month after the Battle of Cable Street and five months after Mosley’s chaotic rally on Southampton Common. The BUF fielded only one candidate. Alfred Gipson, a local docker who had been a member of the BUF for two years, received just twenty-nine votes in the St Mary’s ward, the lowest by far of any of the candidates across Southampton. He was emphatically defeated by the Labour candidate and future Mayor of Southampton, Percival Walter Blanchard, who received 1,225 votes. In the May of 1940, within weeks of Sir Winston Churchill becoming Prime Minister and with Britain at war, the police detained over 700 active BUF members under the Defence Regulations. Oswald Mosley was detained on 23 May. In Southampton, police detained five men and a woman. Frank Arthur Grove of Palmerston Road, Alexander Thomas of Cedar Gardens, George Merriman of Manchester Street, and Reginald Jarman of Graham Road were arrested, along with Joe Beckett and his wife, Ruth, of 223 Winchester Road. Beckett was a famous former British heavyweight boxing champion and he had become involved with the BUF in the 1930s, distributing thousands of leaflets and items of propaganda from his home. An acquaintance apparently told the Daily Herald: ‘He had been going round bars saying Hitler this and Mosley that, and nobody liked to punch him on the nose because he had been British heavy-weight champion.’ Ruth Beckett was imprisoned in London but her husband and the other men, along with Edward Davis from the Isle of Wight and Harold Parsons of Hoe Road, Bishop’s Waltham, were taken by the police for detention somewhere in northern England. Beckett was released in December 1940. Rev. Rollo Pierce-Butler does not appear to have been detained, which suggests he may no longer have been active within the BUF. He was a chaplain to the RAF during the war. Incidentally, in December 1940, only a few weeks after so much of Southampton had been viciously bombed and reduced to ruins over three highly destructive targeted Luftwaffe night raids, a woman called Nellie Driver of Nelson in Lancashire, who had been the secretary of her local BUF branch, wrote to her local Labour MP, Samuel Sydney Silverman, to complain about being detained in London during the German aerial bombardment of the city. Silverman, a Jewish man, the son of migrants, sent her this reply: ‘Dear Miss Driver, I have been wondering what, if anything, I can do in response to your appeal for help. I cannot forget that the organisation of which you are the active local secretary does not believe in democracy or free speech or the right of any political party hostile to its views to exist at all. Nor can I ignore the fact that these inevitably involve sympathy with the country’s enemy in a war which, if lost, would mean the world-triumph of the Fascist cause; a sympathy which has placed so many democratic countries in Europe under the Nazi heel. But you told me in our interview that you did not believe these things, knew nothing of your movement’s international associations, and joined it when you were unemployed and attracted by its uniform and display, that you do not believe in political persecution, and are not in sympathy with Hitler and Mussolini. How, in these circumstances, you ever became, or can remain, a member of the British Union of Fascists I cannot understand. But that is your affair. You are entitled, as I am (until your friends and political associates govern this land), to hold any views you please, so long as you do nothing to assist the country’s enemies. I accept your assurance that you have no such intention, and am prepared, if you wish, to try to persuade the Home Secretary to set you at liberty. Meanwhile, I cannot accept your view that there is anything especially oppressive in the fact that your detention is in London. After all, if there were no Fascists there would be no bombs in London, or in Coventry or Liverpool or Southampton, or in a thousand other places where humble innocent folk are massacred by night.’ Driver may have played dumb with Silverman, attempting to portray herself as innocent and naive, but her many letters to her local paper in the late 1930s gives her away as a fanatical BUF organiser and well-read supporter of fascism. In her long letters, she complained bitterly about the government helping foreigners and refugees (‘I am making this appeal on behalf of the unfortunate and forgotten British people’), she complained about ‘the menace lurking in the power of International Jewish Finance’, and she issued rallying cries for people to ‘help Mosley to break the chains of Lancashire in his coming Greater Britain’. In 1938, she wrote: ‘People who dismiss the British Union with a contemptuous gesture are making the biggest mistake in their lives, they have no idea, as we have, of the resurgent mighty spirit which animates our movement…’ The British Union of Fascists were proscribed and banned in July 1940 and consequently the organisation was dissolved. The people of Southampton had rejected and defeated Mosley’s fascism at both the Common and the polls in 1937, but the town would suffer greatly as a result of fascism in the coming years. Despite the hardship and destruction of the war, fascism would never defeat Southampton and its people."
Hadush Kebatu: Migrant sex offender given £500 after threat to disrupt deportation - BBC News You are ****ing joking? We paid him to be deported.
In some ways, paying for people to leave is a good fix - it’s what the Swedes landed on when they got themselves in a pickle. But paying someone who is being deported after a crime, not so much.
I do agree , but it might not always be that straight forward . "Forcible" returns do not usually involve payments, but removal teams can decide to make a discretionary payment to ensure things go smoothly. In this case, the concern was that it would cost much more to re-book the flights - running into several thousands of pounds - and it might have led to expensive legal action. Sources say the decision to make the payment to Kebatu was made by the removal team, not ministers. The payment avoided a "slower, more expensive process for the taxpayer, which would have included detention, a new flight and potentially fighting subsequent legal claims," the prime minister's spokesman said. I wouldn’t like it if he was aboard the same flight as me , and he started kicking off .
That's hardly the point though. It's the principle. He's a convicted child sex offender FFS who served a small chunk of a 12 month sentence before being deported. Under no circumstances should he have been paid to leave the country. If he refuses to co-operate send him back to prison for him to serve the rest of his sentence. It may cost more money to do this but I'd much rather that than we bung him £500 to make everyone's lives easier.
