This whole thing being big news now is going to make things even worse if overturned too you can guarantee it.
Many of the horrified Israelis are also standing against the zionist ultra settlers on the west bank aided and abetted by police and security. If Trump were anything but an opportunistic attention seeker he would also be committed to ending the violence against the Palestinians. The Louis Theroux documentary The Settlers. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002bm1y Fourteen years after his first visit and 2011 film The Ultra Zionists, Louis Theroux meets some of the growing community of religious-nationalist Israelis who have settled in the West Bank.
If the Russian clubs are banned, as their nation are worse offenders, so should the Israeli ones. What that nation has been getting away with and continue to do so is utterly utterly insane. Its so baked in now. Hardly surprising there is a serious problem (when they travel Europe) with Maccabi's notoriously racist elements, of course these are big occasions for them, it soooooo dull being a racist football thug in an ethno-state.
You would prefer to take the word of Hamas? Because much of the news served up by the anti Jewish mob originates from them. It gets recycled by "respected" organisations and then readily gobbled up by grateful antisemite bigots. The vast majority of Israeli hate comes from Muslims all around the world including this country. Muslims have, long before this current war, vowed the annihilation of the Jewish state. This criticism of Israel is most definitely driven by hate for Jews, and Muslims outside of Palestine are spreading this hate aided and abetted by their "useful idiot" allies.
Its nothing to do with local residents other than "their leaders" pushing for this. The problem is likely to be people travelling in to protest and they are likely to be the same ones shouting bad stuff around London every weekend that have cost way way more money in policing costs than this event will. They could actually just stop anyone leaving London for Birmingham that evening that doesn't have a history showing they are Villa fans and save a load more money! This is all about protestors showing up at this event and possible counter protestors too! They've dug this hole allowing protests to continue for ages, costing the taxpayer and police budgets an absolute fortune and can't just say no to something from the other side so they present the argument for a ban in a different way as being "for the safety of xxxx"
Do you honestly believe that they've been banned due to their previous behaviour? Let's at least be honest, they're banned due to fears of the local reaction to their attendance. From the local MP's petition to get them banned weeks ago.... "Their arrival in Aston - a diverse and predominantly Muslim community - poses a real risk of tensions within the community and disorder." Now it's been granted there's some furious back-peddling to make it all about Israeli hooligans.
Just my opinion, and who really gives a monkey's about that, but - Should US teams have been banned from competition after their response to 9/11 an invasion of Afghanistan? Should UK teams have been banned from competition after we were involved in an illegal war against Iraq? It just feels like different standards are applied because it's Israel...
I think that no one is considering the local residents in this. 66 per cent Muslim population in Aston who are probably hostile to thr match being played let alone the possibility of hooligans and protesters mixing it up.
"Do you honestly believe that they've been banned due to their previous behaviour? Let's at least be honest, they're banned due to fears of the local reaction to their attendance." Why do you honestly believe there is a contradiction here? ... that's a rhetorical question. I don't believe local people in Birmingham have to wait to put up with racist ****, from the worst elements of a ethno-state traipsing over from a genocidal terrorist nation. Haifa hooligans have demonstrably displayed hate and intolerance across Europe already this season. As I said, Israel should be internationally and comprehensively sanctioned, thus banned from international sports. The precedent is there with Russia.
But should they be banned from International competition, like Russia? And like is being suggested Israel should be by the post I was replying to. I'm just trying to ask people to consider their logic here, and whether or not Israel is being held to different standards to other countries. If so, why?
How many Muslims in this country are Palestinian? Why the hell should any non Muslim consider the local population who have no connection with Palestine other than they share the same religion? If they want to be seen as brothers of all the Muslims in Gaza, then maybe they should all be arrested for supporting a terrorist organisation. If they want to take this war in Gaza as their war then fine, but that doesn't mean we should accommodate that belief in this country where Muslims make up 6% of the population. If they are really serious about their brother (I would say sisters as well but they don't count) Muslims then they could support them in Gaza just like the many who travelled to support ISIS.
Well on the one hand, sport unites people where politics tends to divide, so perhaps no country's teams should be banned. It's not the athletes or supporters fault, what their governments do. On the other hand, the international boycott of South Africa's sports teams certainly played a role in hastening the end of apartheid. So where there is an international consensus, bans of this nature are effective, regardless of whether or not they are fair. Is Israel held to different standards than other countries? The fact their football clubs are allowed to compete in European competitions says yes, they are; they're given special treatment because they are deemed a special case. Maybe that needs to be revisited.
Neighbouring Muslim countries to Palestine don't actually much like them, but that's another of these inconvenient truths.
I don't have the answers, Archer. I'm just another idiot on a message board. But yeah, I just think people get led very easily into the cause-de-jour without questioning a lot of things that probably should be questioned.
