Off Topic Starmer/ Reeves: last man standing

Row 3 · Oct 15, 2025 at 2:44 PM

Blond Bombshell said: ↑

Lol.

Starmer wiped the floor with Badenoch and Cleveley in PMQs this lunchtime. Keep up in the threpenny seats marra...

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Starmer says Badenoch's claims about China spy case 'entirely baseless'
Badenoch claims Starmer has contradicted Dan Jarvis, the security minister. She asks what changed between the two accused being charged and the case being dropped.
Starmer says he is going to publish the government witness statements in full, so people can see what the last government said. Then Badenoch will realise what she is saying is “entirely baseless”.

In response to the claim that the government gave political orders to prosecutors over this, Starmer replied: “Absolutely not.”
He went on:
I was the chief prosecutor in five years, and I can say in that five years, which included three years under the coalition government, when we were taking difficult decisions on MPs expenses, not once, not once, was I subjected to political pressure of any sort from anyone.
That is the tradition of this country. It’s a proud tradition. It’s one I hold as prime minister, just as I believe it when I was director of public prosecutions.
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Badenoch was embarrassing, no plan B when Starmer opened PMqs with statement on the China trial collapse. She should have questions on at least two other subjects ready in case this happens. There's plenty she could make Starmer squirm over, she just seems incapable of doing it.

Makemstine Roger · Oct 15, 2025 at 2:48 PM

Blond Bombshell said: ↑

Lol.

Starmer wiped the floor with Badenoch and Cleveley in PMQs this lunchtime. Keep up in the threpenny seats marra...

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Starmer says Badenoch's claims about China spy case 'entirely baseless'
Badenoch claims Starmer has contradicted Dan Jarvis, the security minister. She asks what changed between the two accused being charged and the case being dropped.
Starmer says he is going to publish the government witness statements in full when he thinks he is in the clear, so people can see what the last government said. Then Badenoch will realise what she is saying is “entirely baseless”.

In response to the claim that the government gave political orders to prosecutors over this, Starmer replied: “Absolutely not.”
He went on:
I was the chief prosecutor in five years, and I can say in that five years, which included three years under the coalition government, when we were taking difficult decisions on MPs expenses, not once, not once, was I subjected to political pressure of any sort from anyone.
That is the tradition of this country. It’s a proud tradition. It’s one I hold as prime minister, just as I believe it when I was director of public prosecutions.
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He still didnt hand over the folder MI6 gave him for the prosecution which then failed because he wanted it hiding i suppose your quite happy with China weazeling its way into our defence industry, telecommunications warships and university education
Starmer says he is going to publish the government witness statements in full,now he knows the case has failed but they are pushing for a new hearing and Mi6 are backing them, but we know Starmer lies and doesnt keep promises

Makemstine Roger · Oct 15, 2025 at 2:53 PM

See we have a few Chinese communist party supporters that dont have a clue what will happen The folder came from MI6 We are that weak on intelligence now since Israel have taken us out of the loop, it was Israeli intelligence cooperation that stopped most of our terrorist attacks, And the CIA says will stop sharing intelligence as it cant trust us.

Blond Bombshell · Oct 15, 2025 at 2:57 PM

Makemstine Roger said: ↑

See we have a few Chinese communist party supporters that dont have a clue what will happen The folder came from MI6 We are that weak on intelligence now since Israel have taken us out of the loop, it was Israeli intelligence cooperation that stopped most of our terrorist attacks, And the CIA says will stop sharing intelligence as it cant trust us.
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Unbelievable Jeff.... nowts changed in 5 years. Just hate hate hate. Awful.

Blond Bombshell · Oct 15, 2025 at 2:59 PM

Row 3 said: ↑

Badenoch was embarrassing, no plan B when Starmer opened PMqs with statement on the China trial collapse. She should have questions on at least two other subjects ready in case this happens. There's plenty she could make Starmer squirm over, she just seems incapable of doing it.
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Also her last question went off like a damp squid... the tories need a new leader, but I'm all for giving people second chances

Makemstine Roger · Oct 15, 2025 at 3:00 PM

Blond Bombshell said: ↑

Unbelievable Jeff.... nowts changed in 5 years. Just hate hate hate. Awful.
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your the card holder for Labour what have they done for Sunderland in 50 years it took them 20 years to get the Metro to Sunderland and we paid half of it wake up at the back

Blond Bombshell · Oct 15, 2025 at 3:04 PM

Makemstine Roger said: ↑

your the card holder for Labour what have they done for Sunderland in 50 years it took them 20 years to get the Metro to Sunderland and we paid half of it wake up at the back
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Lol. You must have missed Montgomery's post re T Dan Smith?

C Montgomery Burns said: ↑

I've been saying for a while that i'll post my mates dad's theory that a lot of the current mag behaviour goes back to T Dan Smith in the 60s, so finally I've got round to do it now. I apologise now that it's a long read, it covers a few things, politics, history, economics and the media, but it makes sense as one of the building blocks to what they are now, attitude wise.

Basically, there wasn't much difference between Sunderland and Newcastle in the long past, both in terms of cities and football teams. Cities of similar sized populations, similar people living in them and a common enough local identity that "Geordie" was almost a generic term for someone from the north east. My dad was like many from up here that as a young un he'd go to Roker one week and the skunks the next. He even told me about an edition of Football Monthly in the 50s that had picture of Shack and Jackie Millburn on the cover under the heading "no means rivals", there wasn't any real hatred between the teams. But that began to change by the 1960s. And this is where my mate's dad's theory comes in.

Despite the term "the Newcastle blitz", Newcastle got off relatively lightly during the war. A lot of the bombing was the result of the Luftwaffe going after targets outside Newcastle, such as the Duston coal staithes or the Wallsend ship yards and missing their primary targets. Newcastle city wasn't that strategically important. Sunderland was. Sunderland accounted for a quarter of the UKs' merchant shipping, a major commercial port, the numerous coal mines in and surrounding the city, plus the Pyrex glassworks, which made amongst other things the lenses for searchlights. Sunderland accounted for the most civilian deaths and injuries due to bombing raids during the blitz in the north east and an estimated 90% of the cities housing suffered some form of damage. Sunderland also lost a large number of it's grand buildings, such as the old winter gardens and the Victoria Hall. I bet most people have seen the iconic picture of the train wheels that went through the roof of Joseph's toy shop after the old railway station was hit. As a result, after the war Sunderland needed massively rebuilding, especially housing, which is where estates like Farringdon were built. Newcastle needed rebuilding itself, but not as extensively and this is where T Dan Smith comes in. During the 50s he built himself a powerbase in Newcastle, eventually becoming the council leader. He has the ambition of making Newcastle the "capital of the north" and modelled the rebuilding of Newcastle on Brasilia. Because of the influence and control he had, he was able to push through stuff that others couldn't stop and even after leaving the council he still has massive influence on it because of his patronage. He became "Mr Newcastle" and there's even a BBC documentary called "Dan's Castle" from the mid 60s about him (on YouTube if anyone is interested). Because of his power and a pliant local media he began to push Newcastle as the best place in the country and the only place in the north east that mattered. He left the council in 1965 but still held a lot of influence through patronage until his downfall for corruption in the early 70's. But for a while under him, Newcastle was seen as a progressive and dynamic place, leading to the sense of Geordie superiority as other parts of the north east, Sunderland in particular, were struggling to pull themselves together. This got worse when the metropolitan council of Tyne and Wear was introduced. Pretty much everything was Newcastle orientated and if it didn't benefit Newcastle, it wouldn't go ahead. Sunderland didn't help itself at the same time, the council made some hideous mistakes, but it was very much "what Newcastle wants, Newcastle gets".

When shipbuilding and coal mining began to decline in Sunderland in the 1970s, it hit Sunderland hard and this also coincided with Tyne and Wear council coming into being, which drained even more money away from Sunderland towards Newcastle. The metro was actually supposed to have been in Sunderland by 1990, though it was dropped quietly a few years after it had as introduced. Other development schemes were either knocked back or scaled down in favour of Newcastle, such as the Quayside being redeveloped. Even after T&W council was abolished, it still carried on. Years ago I spoke to a frustrated businessman from Washington who said that the Tyne and Wear Development Corporation initials really stood for "The Wear Doesn't Count".

The result is a lot of people from Newcastle and north Tyneside who've been told for years that Newcastle is "special" the most important place in the north, the only place that matters. You see it in the media, when Nissan does well it's great for the north east and a north east success story. Nissan gets in trouble and it's "troubled Sunderland car plant". When Swan Hunters was doing well it was "Tyneside ship building giant", before it collapsed it was a "disaster for the region". It's an easy step when you're told that Newcastle city is so brilliant and important and everywhere else locally is the poor relation to slide across to have the same view about the football teams, especially in a one team city. And when the media is based there and has over 60 years of being pliant and not criticising the city, it's hard to hear a dissenting voice. So you get the basic building blocks if why mags are the way they are, the football club is an extension of the city, because they're told Newcastle is the best place in the country (certainly locally) and they don't travel far outside, they believe it and put other places and by extension football teams down and they've had over 60 years of hearing it, so it must be true.
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Makemstine Roger · Oct 15, 2025 at 3:04 PM

Blond Bombshell said: ↑

Also her last question went off like a damp squid... the tories need a new leader, but I'm all for giving people second chances
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And Starmer scuttles off when there are questions to be asked, he never answers questions only attacks just like you bye im wasting my time, you cant even see how dangerous this fool is

Blond Bombshell · Oct 15, 2025 at 3:05 PM

Makemstine Roger said: ↑

And Starmer scuttles off when there are questions to be asked, he never answers questions only attacks just like you bye im wasting my time, you cant even see how dangerous this fool is
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I'm replying to him.

rooch 3 · Oct 15, 2025 at 4:34 PM

Northumberland Rocks said: ↑

That is appalling yet the right on here when questioned have not condemned political violence. What’s your view on the Reform Councillor wanting to shoot Starmer?
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Hang him what’s yours?

Pure River Slut · Oct 15, 2025 at 7:42 PM

Row 3 said: ↑

Badenoch was embarrassing, no plan B when Starmer opened PMqs with statement on the China trial collapse. She should have questions on at least two other subjects ready in case this happens. There's plenty she could make Starmer squirm over, she just seems incapable of doing it.
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I want them to get better so they split the fascist toad vote

Northumberland Rocks · Oct 15, 2025 at 8:24 PM

rooch 3 said: ↑

Hang him what’s yours?
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Good to hear if you mean metaphorically and my view is no political violence should be encouraged.

Northumberland Rocks · Oct 15, 2025 at 8:30 PM

Makemstine Roger said: ↑

your the card holder for Labour what have they done for Sunderland in 50 years it took them 20 years to get the Metro to Sunderland and we paid half of it wake up at the back
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Have you missed the magnificent regeneration of Sunderland over the past few years? Where do you you live Newcastle?

Good to see the last Tory government support Labour led Sunderland Council, despite the local Tories telling them not to. Them that bastard Starmer and his government goes and gives a further £25m to support the regeneration.

If only we had a leader like Farage who has promised to massively cut public spending because that would really help Sunderland.

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