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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Monday 13th October)

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  1. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Good Morning. It's Monday 13th October, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road

    40 points may not be enough for Premier League survival

    This season’s Supercomputer, powered by Plejmo’s state-of-the-art simulation technology, has crunched a staggering array of data — from thousands of passes to goals, defensive patterns, and tactical wrinkles — all to simulate the entire Premier League campaign. The result? A season of razor-thin margins and relentless drama, particularly at the bottom, where the battle for survival could be the fiercest in the competition’s history.

    Leeds United offer an early glimpse of this unpredictable landscape. Under Daniel Farke, the Whites have made a steady, if unspectacular, start — eight points from their opening seven fixtures — a return that hints at progress but also at missed opportunities. The Supercomputer sees that fine balance reflected in its forecast, placing Leeds 15th on 41 points. For a club still re-establishing itself in the top flight, it’s a position of cautious comfort: safety achieved, but never guaranteed. For the fans at Elland Road, survival would mark a meaningful milestone — proof that the club is once again on solid Premier League footing.

    Elsewhere, optimism flickers for fellow newcomers Sunderland, tipped to cling to top-flight status, also by the narrowest of margins. Their summer investment, it seems, could just be enough to secure 16th place and another year among football’s elite. Brentford, projected 17th, complete the trio of survivors in a bottom half where anxiety reigns supreme. Burnley and Wolves, however, are forecast heartbreak in 20th and 19th respectively, while the biggest shock comes in East London. West Ham, despite a respectable 40 points, are predicted to finish 18th — a cruel twist that would send the Hammers down for the first time in fifteen years, a victim of perhaps the tightest relegation cutoff in memory.

    20th Burnley - 33 points
    19th Wolves - 34 points
    18th West Ham - 40 points
    17th Brentford - 41 points
    16th Sunderland - 41 points
    15th Leeds - 41 points
    14th Man U - 43 points
    13th Fulham - 44 points
    12th Everton - 45 points
    11th Brighton - 45 points

    At the summit, the simulation paints a brighter picture. Arsenal, reenergized by the arrivals of Eberechi Eze and Viktor Gyökeres, reclaim the Premier League crown with 90 points, sweeping past Liverpool’s valiant 83. Manchester City and Chelsea share 66 points each, with the Blues edging their rivals on goal difference to secure fourth. Tottenham, Crystal Palace, and Bournemouth complete a top seven that reflects both resurgence and reinvention. Palace’s sixth-place finish, hot on the heels of FA Cup glory, stands as the season’s great surprise — a reminder that data can only hint at the human magic that fuels the game.

    10th Nottingham Forest - 46 points
    9th Aston Villa - 54 points
    8th Newcastle - 57 points
    7th Bournemouth - 58 points
    6th Crystal Palace - 63 points
    5th Spurs - 65 points
    4th Chelsea - 66 points
    3rd Man City - 66 points
    2nd Liverpool - 83 points
    1st Arsenal - 90 points

    If the machine’s algorithms prove prophetic, fans are in for a campaign defined by emotion, tension, and fine margins. Football may resist the rigidity of numbers, but in this projection, the chaos feels perfectly captured: triumph and despair separated by the slimmest of threads, every point alive with consequence. This season, more than ever, the Premier League promises that rare blend of precision and madness — the beautiful game in all its unpredictable glory.

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    Leeds must win at Turf Moor

    Leeds have made a steady start to life back in the Premier League. While not always dominating headlines, their ability to compete against top-tier opposition signifies a crucial step towards securing their survival hopes come May. This resilience was on full display in their pivotal victory at Wolves three weeks ago, where they bounced back from a goal down to stun the Molineux crowd with three first-half goals. That same mettle will be tested this weekend as they face a struggling Burnley side at Turf Moor.

    Languishing with only four points, despite a win against Sunderland on matchday two, Burnley (just like Wolves) appear vulnerable, presenting Leeds with a prime opportunity to capitalise. However, with only one win in their last six league games, complacency is not an option for the Whites. This fixture is more than just another game; it is a chance for Leeds to translate their steady progress into decisive momentum.

    A victory at Turf Moor would do more than just bolster their margin from the relegation zone—it would serve as a powerful endorsement of Daniel Farke's management and the club's strategic direction. On paper at least, its difficult to identify a weaker top flight outfit than Burnley, and as such, only a win will do.

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  2. Eireleeds1

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    Morning all. Win at Burnley vital. Be hard to see where ten wins will come from if we can't beat them
     
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  3. Brizzlewhite

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    It's the usual 'must win' for us. They can't score, but we're stuttering there too.
     
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  4. 2020VisionofLeeds

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    If we don’t win we’re doooomed

    not sure they are the weakest, are they worse than Wolves?
     
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  5. ristac

    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Morning all

    I would take that supercomputer prediction
     
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  6. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    That supercomputer is Matt’s old iPhone 11. Wouldn’t read too much into it <doh>
     
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  7. FORZA LEEDS

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    Morning,

    Nine matches between November 29th and January 7th inclusive. Sorry but can’t see us winning any of them. Couple of draws at most <yikes>
     
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  8. southernwhite

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    Thought i would check that out and <yikes> agreed specially 29th Nov Man city away , followed by Chelsea and Liverpool home, what a run of tough bloody fixtures their.:emoticon-0107-sweat if were out of the relegation places early in the new year, we should survive.

    Good morning all.
     
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  9. Leedsoflondon

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    Good afternoon all from a somewhat cloudy Spain. Whilst Eire sums it up far better than I, the “super computer” predictions taken with the requisite pinch of salt. Can’t factor in injuries, suspensions, inexplicable loss of form or what clubs may or may not do in January. I’d take it all day long of course.
     
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  10. milkyboy

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    Get a grip guys. Ridiculous to say it's a must win. I'd accept people saying it's a must'nt lose. Its an away game at a well organised side who've won one drawn one and lost to an injury time winner against liverpool.
     
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  11. Doc

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    That supercomputer is pants. I would bet that Aski’s system is more accurate and I reckon that top 10 is nowhere near what it willl look like and Arsenal will not win……..

    Burnley really is a must win and we also need teams below us slip up again so that we can get a slight gap going which will give the lads hope and breathing room
     
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  12. milkyboy

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    yeh the fixture list hasn't been kind - our 'easy' run is march/april... there was always a good chance we'd be as good as down by then
     
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  13. OLOF

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    Does this super computer factor in the absolute ineptitude and corrupt referees and var officials?
    it could be the same computer they used for the covid con, so probably take no notice of it.:shocked:
    Gonna be a long hard season either way.
     
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  14. leeds down south

    leeds down south Well-Known Member

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    4 pts from the next 2 would be good whichever way they come. Lose at Burnley and West Ham might be a genuine must win!
     
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  15. Leedsoflondon

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    Can someone remind me (or put me straight) but didn’t we basically set up for the 0-0 draw away to Burnley last season? Also don’t we basically set up defensively this season? I think we can squeak this year 1-0 but we need to finish one of our chances, my fear is the pressure we heap on our defence with the missed chances.
     
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  16. milkyboy

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    it was definitely a game where both sides looked like they were planning for 0-0
     
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  17. leeds down south

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    At that stage was a good point for both teams. You'd like to think they'd have more of a go this time.
     
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  18. foolee

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    As others have mentioned. It isn’t a must win but it is a must not lose, that goes for probably 3 out of our next 4 including Forest. However we can’t draw both the next two, need a win and a draw. From how we’ve played there’s no reason we can’t win both though. Saying that Burnley isn’t going to be easy, they’ve beaten Sunderland who everyone is raving about and have been in all their games bar the Man City one, only loss at home was a silly pen they gave away against Liverpool. I don’t think a draw would be a terrible result. Any team that we’re above in the table we need to be beating at home and at least drawing with away. If a team is in the bottom 3 it’ll make our life easier if we beat them home and away obviously but not always a given.
     
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