Replace brave for he should not have opened his mouth. The c*** should only be opening it to be supporting the UK.
ah, caught up now. Flags are symbols and powerful ones, but they mean different things to different people. There's nothing wrong with patriotism and national pride. But Nationalism is divisive and intimidating. Personally I don't think it is helpful that politicians of every stripe (bar the far left) have taken to embracing the Union Flag, sending the implicit message that they are more patriotic than their party political rivals. And the growing impression I get is that the new yardstick of patriotism is how many migrants you promise to deport. Seems pretty clear to me that it is the Nationalist tune of Reform UK that Labour and the Conservatives are now dancing to. Some of the many flags which have appeared recently are being used for Nationalist, not Patriotic, purposes. Gary Neville apparently believes this, and I'm afraid I have to agree with him. It is not 'unpatriotic' to call out Nationalist aggression.
The issue for me is less about immigration and more about wealth distribution. Something that the Musks and Politicians tend to care very little about
Come on now, you remember... I'm an anti-Semite, guilty of blood libel. Denounced by the administrator of ITTV (among others on that forum). My punishment for calling out one of his posts advocating violence against somebody he did not like. At the end of January 2023 (eight months before the Hamas atrocity of October 7th) Reams posted something on his forum to the effect that he wanted to see the son of Thomas Sandgaard beaten up in a dark alley. I posted an objection to that attitude, during which I mentioned that Holocaust Memorial Day had only just gone by. Street thuggery against people they did not like was the first step of the Nazis on their rise to power in the 1930's, which ultimately led to Genocide because too few people stood up against their use of such violence. In response, IA accused me of trivialising the Holocaust and insulting relatives of his who had lost their lives during that time. I responded that I had done no such thing, and that I would not apologise for something I had not done. His initial criticism of my objection to what Reams had posted about Thomas Sandgaard's son was based on his long standing enmity towards me personally. Other members, including DickPlumb and Royston, took the side of IA. I realised that having been denounced as an anti-Semite my continued membership at ITTV was impossible, so I left the forum. Had I not done so, doubless Reams would have banned me. I know he has continued to denounce me on more than one occasion since I left. Some time later, DickPlumb was good enough to retract his personal accusation of anti-Semitism against me. As far as I am aware Royston has never done so. However, if that is the price of calling out Reams' occasional posts in favour of wishing harm on people he doesn't like, then so be it. I am not surprised though that so few other Charlton fans on that forum are willing to speak out against posts encouraging violence. When I first joined ITTV Inkblot (Doug) was most helpful to me as a rookie poster. We remained on friendly terms until we lost touch a few years ago. Inkblot's friendship mattered far more to me than IA's enmity ever will, or any false accusations made against me.
Not sure where your question is leading Elfs. I would say I don't have to be Jewish in order to empathise with the fear felt in Jewish communities. Also, not all Jewish people are of one opinion regarding what is happening in Gaza, and the way that the Netanyahu Government has conducted itself. In the same way, I don't have to be a Muslim to empathise with the anger felt in some of their communities at the destruction and loss of life in Gaza. Again, it is just as true that not all Muslims are of one opinion regarding the horrific slaughter and kidnapping that took place on 7th October 2023. It is exactly the wrong assumption that all Jewish people or all Muslim people feel the same way about the last two years (and Centuries of history) which leads to all Jewish people everywhere being targeted for intimidation and violent retaliation, and all Muslim people everywhere being targeted for suspicion and prejudice. Blood is on the hands of the perpetrators and the hate-mongers on both sides. And them alone. It is not on the hands of every person who shares a version of the same religion as those who have used violence.
Half Jewish half gentile. My brother did one of those DNA tests recently and it showed 1% Welsh, 4% Cornish, 22% Italian, 50% Jewish from Lviv, the rest English. You should try it, you might be surprised!
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceq2e9x19g8o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgy8kvvkp3o Aside from the above, If anybody can support Lammy, Mahmood, Khan and Starmer you need to be ashamed of yourselves. Simon Jordan, and others, have absolutely destroyed Neville, and rightly so.
The facebook post seems to have disappeared. If Simon Jordan and others have argued their case against Gary Neville that is good. It's freedom of speech and debate in a free society. Hardly 'North Korea' as Mr Farage presents the UK to his foreign friends. Whether or not Neville has been 'destroyed' by the debate is a matter of opinion. He does not represent the more popular side of the argument, so naturally there will be more who disagree with him than support him. But he has the right to dissent.
Aside from the above, If anybody can support Lammy, Mahmood, Khan and Starmer you need to be ashamed of yourselves. PS, do you agree with Neville? Yes or No
As for the peaceful protesters supporting a banned organisation - that's their decision. They consider the law to be unjust and draconian, so they are willing to break it. And they will have to accept the consequences. Anyone who wishes to cross the line and use violence when they protest, such as attacking the Police - or inciting violence with celebrations of the October 7th atrocities or backing of Hamas? Such people should be indeed be ashamed of themselves. What has happened during the past two years in Gaza does not in any way excuse or justify or legitimise the crimes committed on October 7th. In my view today (the 2nd anniversary of the Hamas attacks) is not a good day to protest about the conflict in Gaza. It does no favours to those who are genuinely concerned about the destruction and huge loss of lives there.
I don’t agree with Jordan and agree alongside Neville that the flag is being weaponised . I see it as an attempt to intimidate immigrants. Painting zebra crossings etc ? Do me a favour. As a husband to an immigrant I’m not happy at all with this and fear that the UK politics is following the states. Farage as PM don’t make me laugh - another Corbyn (albeit the other extreme) - protest politicians are not good leaders - a different beast is required. Following Brexit I fear another act of self harm is on its way
The UK is a mess, illegal immigrants need to be shipped out of the country immediately. As for the immigrants in the country and sponging, a LOT of immigrants have zero interest in integrating whatsoever. The government are a disgrace, as for the Mayor, look at his interviews, particularly with Susan Hall, a disgusting individual.
I integrate, I am speaking the language, I am putting money into the economy. I take nothing out of it. I put towards 100k into the economy recently in buying a property, the ****ers back home take out 100k from us.
