It's almost like the billionaires and millionaires who run the country and control the majority of the media have convinced most of the population that their problems and woes are not their looting of the public purse, their tax avoidance and 'legal scams' which see them retain more of their money than they should, but instead it's all the fault of asylum seekers and immigrants. The money lost to COVID scams and insider dealings could pay for our outlay on asylum seekers for years and years yet one is main stream news night after night and the other consigned to a programme at 10 on a Sunday night.....
Thing is people's understanding in general is so poor, and the conversation around it is such poor quality, that proper accountability of the right people at an electorate level just doesn't happen. The usual "both parties" line will get trotted out when it was entirely and emphatically the extreme wing of one party involved, who unfortunately happened to be in government at the time. For some people, hearing about this corruption (which was obviously going on at the time; we've talked about much of it on this very thread for years) will be used as justification for giving more power to the likes of Reform, because they're always the answer, even though the people involved in government at the time are the types who've since joined Reform, and this kind of opportunistic wealth transfer is precisely their MO.
I don’t see any need to drag reform into this Why aren’t these ****ers getting nicked for this and the wealth confiscated??
It's all getting very political on here on this 'no politics forum' isn't it? Anyway,I've got a fairly unique take on all of this I despise greed on any side of the political spectrum,Right,Left,or Centre... I also despise ****s rocking up on boats illegally every day,unchecked and unvetted and taking billions per annum out of the public purse,hope this helps.
Was there anything political in what I stated? I didn't mention any political parties, merely posted statements that could be very easily backed up with evidence.
The political part wasn't necessarily aimed at you,if it came across that way,and I can see why it would,I apologise. I can't see what evidence you've put up that brings you to the conclusion that people are blaming immigrants instead of voicing their disgust at the politicians,aren't they allowed to do both simultaneously?(I say that as someone who corresponds on a regular basis to those who 'run' (sic) this sh!thole of a Country,or both Countries in my case). I merely point out that it's possible to make one's own mind up about the state of our Country and express disgust about numerous issues and that I personally find illegal immigration and it's fiscal implications as disturbing as the actions of the thieving bastards at the helm and those who preceded them...
It's not illegal to cross the channel in a boat and immigration does not take billions out of the public purse, hope that clears a couple of things up for you.
I don't know what point of law has brought you to that conclusion but you might want to look up the part where it says "Crossing the Channel without permission is a criminal offence under U.K law"? As for the financials,they're not hidden,work them out and show me your workings at the very least.
In the UK, it is a criminal offence to knowingly enter or remain in the country without authorisation (Immigration Act 1971, Section 24), so if you enter and disappear you're breaking the law, but if you claim asylum you go into the ridiculous system we have in place today. Which is a massive waste of money. Most immigrants are of working age, so they work, and they pay tax. Most immigrants are fitter than us and better educated so hopefully they'll pay a lot of tax. But most importantly, they'll have kids who'll get taxed for life, and they're going to pay my pension. Our economy is based on growth and with our birth rate falling off a cliff we'll no longer be able to borrow against our future. We need to increase our future work output or the system we've come to rely on will no longer function. Long term we really need immigration. A small percentage of them will be ****s, no different to the natives, and hopefully the law will deal with them all accordingly. Look at Japan for the consequences of an ageing population due to their immigration laws.
There's far too much in there to debate and a hell of a lot of it would dredge up a political hornets nest. Some of what you say is true,some not as clear cut and it's no secret that I'm the polar opposite to you. I often wonder whether those keen to see the levels of immigration we are now witnessing, would be as keen in getting a bill through the door on a monthly basis as part of their share of the costs and those like me who oppose it paid nothing(a simple referendum would determine those willing and those unwilling to fund it). I also often wonder why our 'Leaders' don't 'encourage' our vast number of unemployed layabouts to take up that slack in the Employment market? We have more unemployed than jobs available,it's not rocket science.
I don't know mate, I've met all sorts of folk in my life and there's a large number that I wouldn't want touching my food or looking after my Mum. Some people are genuinely ****ing feckless but we can't have them living in slums or workhouses. How we deal with immigration is all wrong but it's not the massive crisis it's being made out to be. We're all being ****ed in various other ways, the small boats are a drop in the ocean.
Illegal Immigration: Costs Volume 749: debated on Tuesday 7 May 2024 'The Government’s impact assessment of the Illegal Migration Act 2023 estimated that the total cost of providing public services to a UK national is around £12,000 per person. Even the most basic calculations put the economic burden on the British taxpayer of an illegal migration population of 1.2 million at £14.4 billion. That is just shy of 10% of NHS England’s budget for this year. Imagine that cash injection on frontline services or to help people who are struggling with the cost of living.' Des Head: 'immigration does not take billions out of the public purse'. Surely, you jest.
I don't know what all that is but we don't know how many illegal migrants there are here because they're here illegally and they can't claim any benefit or get a job because they're here illegally. And aren't we public nationals?
Well, you might not know, but the Government clearly does, otherwise it wouldn't be able to formulate an impact assessment. Nice try though. I think you know what is under discussion.
