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Off Topic Starmer/ Reeves: last man standing

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  1. Ronsafc

    Ronsafc Well-Known Member

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    Would love to embrace them but in real world you need many times the amount of power needed to get 100% renewable, maybe in 10/20 years storage will be cheaper but not at this moment, look how much reliable energy this 30B investment is going to require, look at China even they understand with leading the race to renewable, you still have to make baseload power through opening a new coal power stations every few weeks.
     
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  2. rowley

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    It is certainly that.

    But you cannot store electricity, whatever Miiliband says, you can only store power.

    Storage levels are minute compared to what is required for wind already installed. We pay about£3bn- £5bn a year to wind power producers NOT to produce, as the grid must be balanced. When it's not windy, we import, usually between 15%and 25% of our power.

    No more wind should be installed before proper storage is there first. And it should not be battery storage, as it is ruinously expensive and very short duration.

    I've heard Miiliband speak on this. He is like his predecessors. Spectacularly ignorant of the subject. He understands slogans, as do his advisers, mostly with arts or PPE degrees.

    You need reliable energy. Miiliband is pushing through insane measures that will make electricity prices rocket, and we already pay the highest in the developed world.

    No wonder Germany, despite it's own high flying rhetoric, is building three very large coal fired power stations, ( burning lignite, the dirtiest coal known) and China open three a month the size or Drax, which Miiliband shut down. India too build them in large numbers.

    We have exported emissions not cut them, and we have exported a lot of jobs with them. Nissan will be next.
     
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  3. Blond Bombshell

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    We shall see marra.
     
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  4. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    I can’t say I understand it to that depth honestly but done right we’re better looking forwards and being ahead of the game not behind it.
     
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  5. Sunders53

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    I guess time will tell... he undoubtedly has the experience and ability...but has he the willingness?
     
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  6. rowley

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    I do understand it mate, and have had a lot to do with it. Seriously, we are on the wrong horse, and are being driven by zealots.

    Take storage. Vast sums are spent on battery storage. It only lasts a very short time and costs the earth, quite literally. Miiliband quietly signed off on a new guaranteed price for battery storage a few weeks after the election. His brother is a non exec at one of the biggest beneficiaries.

    The best possibility is out there. It's a British company, and is selling it's idea in the US and elsewhere. We are building one plant.

    It's a great idea. They freeze the air, store it in tanks, then release it and power turbines when required. Very effective. Insane we aren't building say ten of them. Problem of storage close to solved.
     
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  7. rowley

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    The thing is his experience is not in solving the issue, it's in benefitting from it .
     
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  8. Sunders53

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    Gamekeeper/Poacher...
     
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  9. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    I truthfully have no idea and not defending them but I know in other policies they aren’t able to invest yet. My view is tax the billionaires and invest rather than **** about with ‘growth’. I wonder if they can’t do the common sense things you describe because it’s too costly. They don’t want to say that out loud. Equally in politics sometimes politicians need to move people into position not be at the front. It doesn’t help them pretending they’re experts. I do think we should make common sense decisions about the environment and there’s healthy progress. Reform just throw out things that the elderly will vote for for power but of course whoever else it is needs to do the right thing.
     
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  10. rowley

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    The energy issues isn't political, save for determination to be seen to be " green".

    Cryogenic storage, which is the method I was describing is a no brainer. Mostly established engineering, long term( a month or more per GW) .
     
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  11. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    Is cryogenic storage harmful in some way?
     
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  12. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    Tried to read about it but quickly decided to leave it to the experts and do some work. The things I do to avoid writing reports….
     
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  13. Sunders53

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    Atm, totally believe in climate change, but not totally sold on the extrapolation of its effects, nor by what is the best way to transition from carbon fuels.

    Eg hydrogen fuelled cars may be better than electric ones, both for the materials used in manufacturing and in providing a use for wind turbines output in making hydrogen, when demand for electricity low. Similarly cars can be refuelled easily and quickly providing several hundred miles distance running, it's also likely that much of the existing petrol station garages can easily adapted for hydrogen

    Then there is the debate about the potential coal mine in Cumbria, does it or does it not provide the fuel needed for UK steel making, which we are currently importing? Likewise are we importing gas and oil that could be obtained from the North Sea?

    The smaller nuclear electricity generating plants are a good idea, likewise using wind turbines to move water uphill into reservoirs, ready to turn on when needed.

    Just stop oil seems to be just fanatics in a cult.
     
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  14. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    There are ways and means of protesting. Ones that make pretty much everyone hate you probably need some time for reflection.
     
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  15. Northumberland Rocks

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    Why would I hate it? :) it’s great news for our country.

    You need to take your head out of the right wing stereotypical view. :)

    Starmer and Reeves have played a blinder here along with the £10billion investment into defence industries. Surely you can give them Some credit? Will the Daily Mail let you?
     
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  16. Makemstine Roger

    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    another slaverer
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  17. Gordon Armstrong

    Gordon Armstrong Just another S.A.F.C. fan
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    Please stop the name-calling . . . . this thread is pointless if you don't !
     
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    Thought you were against Brexit?
    Or maybe only when it doesn’t suit your argument.
     
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  19. Ronsafc

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    There you go again throwing out extreme slurs to people you disagree with. Never read Mail for decades, you must be regular reader as you seem to know all the stories in it. Yes i will applaud Labour for this great news and the pushing up defence spending, i will always back what i think is right for the country and look at all sides of the argument as don't have the same blinkered views that you seem to have. Going on about Newspapers, got email off Guardian thanking me for the many views on their website as that is the main paper that pops into my new feed on phone.
     
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  20. FellTop

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    I like breathing that air mate <laugh>

    In all seriousness I dont believe governments have a clue about the future of power provision. Surprise surprise.
     
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