(OT) Scroat gets man-handled by a big lad.

Classic Tash !

 

From the bloke who shot the footage.

"I think the conductor did everything right. They were arguing for about 10 minutes before I started filming.”

Clesrly the big lad just had enough.

 

I can't stand people who don't pay fares. It just ends up affecting the honest people like myself who wouldn't dream of not paying. It's worse on the Metro. The amount of people who get away with it is ridiculous.

I'm not sure the bloke was entirely justified, as it isn't the olden days where you could just give someone a slap without landing yourself in a load of bother. To me, it's literally more trouble than it's worth, as the big bloke could end up in a lot more bother than the little gimpy lad.

 

Last time I was in Newcastle they had a 'Loser List' of people who had dodged fares up on a station wall which was pretty hilarious. What got me though, is that people from other countrys had actually given their real name and address to have it put up there . Bob from New Mexico, I don't think they're going to be able to check if you're telling the truth about the tiny street you live on in your insignificant little southern-US town.

 

Vintage Tash

 

the little prick did say he paid for a ticket...

 

but why mouth out why not explain calmly

 

Look at it however you want, he's a member of the public with no powers. That's assault. It's a heroic notion, but its not legal.

 

Opinions are there to be had, but in mine, you're talking utter ****!

My parents have never laid a finger on me...As of yet, not raped, robbed, murdered or assaulted anyone...In fact, unless a mate is taking a kicking I've never gotten into fights.

One of my best mates' Mam used to smack him growing up, shows her no respect and laughs at her when she smacks him now (he's 23 for **** sake) but when his Dad has his say he ****s a brick, again his Dad has never hit him once.

Each to their own, but in my opinion smacking a child is a lazy way to educate. I don't know if one has been done, but I'm fairly sure if you did a study, 90% of young offenders would've been smacked by their parents growing up.

As a final thought, you say kids should have a 'healthy fear' - I didn't have a healthy fear, I had respect, that was more than enough!

 

Just a quick guide HMT;

cor·po·ral pun·ish·ment
Noun:
Physical punishment, such as caning or flogging.

cap·i·tal pun·ish·ment
Noun:
The legally authorized killing of someone as punishment for a crime.

So you've just suggested that small children should be executed for poor behaviour - niceee.

 

The longer version of the video gives a better picture i think. The guy claimed he bought a return, but only had the outbound journey on him, which he presented. The ticket inspector saw that it was a single, and told him it wasn't valid and that he had to buy a ticket or get off. He explained that he would make the train all night if he had to, and that the passengers would be pissed at him.
I would have been pissed off as a passenger at the little rat, and probably wouldn't have had the balls to do what the "big man" did, but I am glad there are some people who do.

 

not going into the whys and the wherefores of this incident and my feelings on it but something was mentioned i'd like to correct.
It was stated that calling the police would have been a waste of their resources and time,well we have the British Transport Police who's job is exactly for things like this and it wouldn't have affected the bobby on the beat (so to speak) one jot.

 

No wonder this country is ****ed.

 

I disagree entirely with the actions of 'big man', he's no powers whatsoever to get involved in the situation, but my disgust in the whole situation is reserved solely for the actions of the conductor. I find it very hard to believe that the correct protocol in the event of a fare discrepancy (which is what this is) is to stop the train and tell everyone on board that the train would not move until the lad got off. All he's done is created a situation where everyone on the train is now annoyed with the lad and hoped someone would do what 'big man' did. I'd like to see the rail companies policy, but I'd be very very surprised if it involved stopping a train. It's what transport police are employed to deal with.

An additional point, as the lad tries to get back on you clearly hear him saying he needs his bag, before being thrown off again. That bag contained his wallet, phone, and crucially his insulin. Had he been removed by transport police as should have happened his would have gone with him, this shocking action by the conductor left him in the middle of nowhere with no money or means of contact, and could have killed him. Yay, vigilante justice!

 

If the lad had lost his ticket or what ever, then why didn't he approach the conductor and explain the situation. If he was in a hard up situation he might have turned a blind eye and let him ride to where he was going.
Instead as a lot of the youth today they are foul mouthed and abusive so chances are he didn't have a ticket.

The fact the little prick couldn't discuss it in a normal way with the conduct and held up the train, he got what he deserved.

The guy removed him from the train, no punches were thrown and judging by the reaction of everyone else on the train it was the right thing to do.

People are having less and less respect for people in athority, I remember when you'd feel guilt when the police were around even if you hadn't done anything.

Screw him the lad got what was coming to him and if he tries to sue the guy then society has gone truely mad!!

 

(can't see the vid btw)

Also, it's more about the debate on the morality of the issue, rather than whether the person in question is guily of anything.

Really, who cares about this one incident?

The point some people are making is that if the general population showed some balls and stood up to scum, then the scum wouldn't feel at liberty to do whatever the hell they like!

The population seems to be split between do-gooders and cowards, leaving the rest of us feeling sick at what's happening to our country.

Generally I apreciate that you can't abuse someones rights, but when they fail to respect the rights of others they opt out of that PRIVALEDGE in my opinion. And it IS a privaledge, because these cirumstances are brought about by the community paying for a police force and legal system to uphold these rights for people. The same community these scum are abusing.

Unfortunately, those saying the "big guy" should be prosecuted are right, that is what usually happens. I was taken in and had to attend a parish hall enquiry (first step of the legal system over here before refferal to court) for knocking this scouse lad flat after he slammed an egg into an elderly womans face with his hand, then restrainng him until police arrived.

We live in a situation where scum are protected and we are prosecuted if we do anything to prevent it. THAT is why these little ships ARE getting away with what they do.

It's disgusting.

A decent person who is capable, will realise that to do anything will be commiting criminal act themselfs, in required cirumstances do something about it, then hold their hands up, stand by what they've done and explain why. Then for the benefit of society, try to draw as much public attention as possible so that the problem can be properly scrutinised and acted upon.

For me, it has reached that stage. When/if I have children I don't want them growing up amongst that lot, just as I am sure many parents don't.

Don't tolorate it.

/end rant

Also had someone try to stab me (and succeed, though not deep) because I refused to hand over my wallet. Slammed his face through a wall as hard as possible and ran like the clappers was only about 17/18. Bit soft as well, spent half the night in drunken tears

Obviously not advising family men to go out and get stabbed. Some responsabilities do rank higher

(wo! that's massive. Sorry lol)

 

Stoney I think you've sumed it up spot on there mate

 

HMT for PM

 

His bag went out with him, so that point falls rather flat.

 

Nothing like a unsubstantial generalisation.