Off Topic Starmer/Reeves: The Dream Team!

To be honest I gave up. I’ll never change anything on this forum and I’ll never change anything anywhere else either.
I try to get both sides of the argument but when views are so entrenched and immovable there’s no point. I’m just going to enjoy my time in Sydney with my son.

 

https://politicsintheuk.substack.co...nsu1W5niHnyXXLjKIp_aem_uKQKsMfsUR0TbGI1p7JREQ

 

Here’s some research
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/da...-5-million-donations-fossil-fuels-tax-havens/

 

‘findings reveal that, despite claiming to represent a break with the current political establishment, Reform is largely funded by ex-Tory donors, who account for around a quarter of the £4.8m it has received’

‘We also found that Reform has an unusually high number of overseas backers with links to tax havens, which the party has publicly stated is part of its fundraising strategy’

They are rewarding these with tax breaks in their economic policy which we’ll all pay for. While working class people defend them.

For the record, all donors in politics stink. There should be tougher rules on influence and financial donations throughout, including limits on spend. Money and media shouldn’t buy winners and it generally does.

However, as I’ve said, fossil fuel money to end net zero which is designed to create sustainable energy for us and help our planet seems very immoral and working class people voting for tax breaks for tax avoiders while they continue to suffer, largely because they aren’t keen on brown people living near them, seems like the height of stupidity.

 

Indeed Jimmy but it’s good to be on the right side of history

 

What wit.

spouting right wing nonsense, hatred and bile on a Sunderland AFC forum. Sunderland AFC a club built on miners, teachers and shipbuilders.

Sadly hatred and division is all you have, what a sad life.

 

A lot of sense their mate. Sadly trying to educate the Reformers is akin to teaching a Labrador trigonometry.

Their billionaire self interested,influenced media has left any reasoned debate useless. As the US we are in very worrying times when people can so easily be manipulated and in most cases will now be voting what their interests.

if Roger is not a bot he certainly is a turkey and he is voting for Christmas.

 

The thing that concerns me is that these entrenched views only lead to one thing- polarisation. When you have polarisation, it only leads to extremism. If you attack someone for their views, they double down, taking a harder position than where they started from. If you try to understand someone else's views, listen to them, they might listen to your's, soften to your viewpoint, and you might be able to meet in the middle. If you refuse to listen to different viewpoints, you might be able to tell yourself how righteous you are, but you're contributing to a toxic political landscape and that will only ever lead to bad things.

 

No hope for him mind. Not worth energy. There are definitely people I feel for on here who talk about being working class but will vote for people who have no respect for their lives. .

 

But surely it's possible,that, after listening and trying to understand someone else's views, you reach the conclusion there is no middle ground...no possibility of a compromise. What then?

 

We have got over 800 years of coal underground which we could use but the Miner so-called lovers hate them now, wait a few years and miners will be hated as much as 18 century traders by the left, well just British miners as all other coal is ok to. Use. You blame thatcher for closing the mines but 10 years later would of closed them yourselves, total hypocrites.

 

Does any party have respect for the WORKER, Labour doesn't

 

Well, there will always be individuals like that, I suppose. As this thread shows. I think you have to try though. I think society has to do something about this polarisation because it can lead to bad things. I heard about it happening somewhere in central Europe once and apparently it didn't turn out very well.

 

If that's the conclusion you reach, I suppose the right approach is to leave them to it and not tell them they're stupid or belittle them, causing them to double down on their views.

Plus, you can always use their views to challenge your own. You should never assume that your own views don't need challenging.

 

I think if you look at the electable parties a lot of the policies say different. Raising wages, improving workers rights have happened already with criticism from the Tories and Reform. I’d say they’ve made it harder for small businesses , haven’t taken on the cost of living fully but there has been some movement of wealth from tax avoiding business into services. I support a lot of what they’ve done but not other bits. If your after a party who have policies for workers Lib Dem’s Greens and Labour are your best options. Purely based on policy. As I said yesterday you’d have less rights as a worker under Reform with employers having more power. That’s a stated fact.

 

Yo need powers on both sides, I have seen good and bad, as I said earlier my brother started his own building company, using some of rule today, he would probably go bust, people getting a job, second week not turning up,etc. Is that good for anyone

 

QUESTIONS for the holyer left. If Thatcher had not closed the mines, would you still back miners and coal fired power stations or close the pits yourself
2 On politics is Russia left or right since keep getting told is biggest backer of Reform, but Russia best friends are communist China and N Korea

 

But,what can society do,if so called individuals become a very large grouping......maybe even large enough to have a fundamental impact on thinking....polarisation becomes surely inevitable?

 

Are raising wages good though, if wages go to high you price yourself out of jobs so no jobs in the end. In the UK are wages too low or everything else to expensive esp housing. If you could reduce housing costs then you would improve work life balance. That is why I would go further than any pol party and stop 99% of immigration. The country is full and I am sick of seeing the green belt and countryside built on. It not Racist to say that ,or can I call any place I cannot get because they are full racists.???

 

Of course you do. Everybody needs stability and support to grow and develop. Not turning up for work though isn’t something anyone can do regularly unless they’re genuinely sick. There are exceptions in everything but most people want to get in work and do well I find. I do think that a lot of young people miss out on youth services who are role models for families. If a kid isn’t lucky enough to have a parent who grafts hard, they don’t get access to other trusted adults who can be role models and guides who give young people the social skills to cope in life and work.Schools are too qualifications focused. Being really honest, my biggest worry about Reform is their commitment to ‘cuts bigger than ever seen to services’. We’ll end up with more flaky workers because there’ll be even less guidance.