There will be a Palestinian state in the same way that there are Native American nations. The only way an independent and capable Palestinian state exists is if it's supported by the other Arab nations and Hamas have accepted far too much Iranian money for that to be a possibility. Fatah is essentially already a puppet of Israel.
This is exactly what many in Israel are saying about your peaceful kumbaya proposal. As Windy has clearly demonstrated, he believes that a Palestinian state will simply change it's goalposts to remove Israel entirely. I have no doubt that @Spurlock would deem that acceptable, I have no doubt that countries like Iran, Lebanon and Pakistan 100% believe that should be the goal of Hamas. To remove Israel entirely when it get's the chance. Israel is not Afghanistan. It has an extremely advanced military, it has an extremely advanced intelligence service, for years it allowed Hamas to run riot in Gaza and that resulted in a massive border skirmish that killed over 1k people, I doubt the Israeli right wing will ever allow that mistake to happen again. The solution is simple for Israel, full control with a weak puppet local government beholden to Israel placed into Gaza. Checkpoints between neighborhoods, vast surveillance, citizen communication under complete control of the Israeli state. With these types of restrictions you have turned possible insurgencies into local uprisings that can be controlled street by street, area by area. This isn't armchair commanding, this is just retelling of events that have happened in the West Bank now for years. This isn't going to end in some signed document were everyone goes back to some imagined lines in the sand for a reset. Apart from all this Gaza is now a wasteland and Palestine has no money, Israel will be rebuilding it and can rebuild it however they see fit. As manageable as they see fit.
Hamas are finished mate. And any future Palestinian state would be headed up by a likely ally of Egypt, Jordan, Saudis and Qatar. All of whom will have normalised relations with Israel under the Abraham Accords. Lebanon has it's own problems and isn't concerned with trying to remove Israel. Hezbollah are largely ineffective too and most of the Lebanese see them as a thorn in their side anyway. I don't know why you're trying to draw Pakistan into it. The idea that a the goal of a newly established Palestinian state will be to wipe out Israel is for the birds. The first priority will be, along with it's Arab neighbours, a massive rebuilding project and that's going to take international support. Of which, yes Israel will need to be a part, because it legitimately has it's own security concerns. But it cannot be allowed to dictate what happens to Gaza and the West Bank based on its own security demands alone. There is an international mandate for a Palestinian state. The alternative, is as I've mentioned, endless insurgency either by Palestinians, proxy groups or another incarnation of whatever happens to the remnants of Hamas.
Palestine will never exist, simples aint it. Two state solution dead, Hamas didn't want it anyway, so **** them. Israel to remap the West Bank next. It's what Jesus would have wanted. Am Yisrael Chai.
Two state solution is closer than ever ... as Peter Gabriel once wrote.. the eyes of the world are watching you now ... recognition of 'Palestine' by France, the UK and Canada will shift the dynamic ... and it's not anti-semitism driving it ... just humanitarianism... been a long time coming...
Not sure I agree with the bit in bold. Palestine getting statehood isn't going to stop extreme elements there wanting to attack Israel. Especially after the destruction Israel has done to the population during this current stage of the conflict. There's no way that Israel are going to allow a fully autonomous Palestine state that comprises both Gaza and the West Bank leaving the obvious risk of Southern Israel being cut off by any attack. I agree with you on the principle that they should have self determination but in the real world it's not going to happen in any of our lifetimes.
Closer than ever? I highly doubt that as it was genuinely quite close at some point and ****ing miles away now. Israel won't give a shiny ****e what we or the other countries do. The only nation that can change Israeli policy is the US and that certainly ain't happening.
Neither was the end of Apartheid, the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the unification of Germany or an end to 'the troubles' in Northern Ireland ...
Only time will tell ...I remain an optimist... for reasons just given ... and, of course, Leicester City winning the Premier League ...
