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The Next manager/head coach to go !

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  1. C Montgomery Burns

    C Montgomery Burns Well-Known Member

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    I get the feeling that Beale was more popular than Martin! Martin honestly comes across to me as someone very dogmatic in how he thinks things should be and too arrogant to even consider that he might be wrong or try and change things.
     
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    Never got the hype about him, has no plan b and his teams never have an end product
     
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    Seems as though he's one who got a lot of buzz early in his career because his team played nice football, even though they never really achieved anything other than being mid table. That's got him a couple of moves up the ladder before he could get found out and now this job and his last one are exposing his flaws and he's under much more scrutiny.
     
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    Takes some doing to be less popular than beale!
     
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    I am a self confessed Russell Martin fan. I think he needs a lesson in communicating with the media though. He comes across exactly as you say, but in reality I dont think he is like that.

    The plan b stuff is an interesting topic. He is not alone in his approach of if plan a is not working make plan a better. There is logic in it as having time to coach two ways of playing doesnt really exist. He isnt a slave to a way of playing, but he has his preference. I would bet good money Southampton got more points had they kept him last season.

    I doubt he lasts at Rangers mind. They seem a set of fans who judge quickly, and dare I say a set who have some pre-conceived ideas about what they want in a coach.
     
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    Yeah i'm a Martin fan but going to Rangers was really stupid. I've watched a couple of their games this season and they look nowhere near it, recruitment has been shocking as well.

    On the plan B stuff, I don't like the idea of recruiting for a certain style and obviously training a certain way, just to throw it out mid game and go a different direction. Adapting is crucial but the fundamentals of what you want to do must stay.
     
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    I honestly can't stand the bloke as a manager, I find his football so boring and just don't think he's a winner at all - that's not going to be a good fit at Rangers

    All managers need to adapt slightly at times to get results and I just don't think he does that at all

    Agree the fit with Ramgers was a shocker imo. I said to boys at work that he will throw folk under the bus and that they would be so inconsistent this season - a couple have given up going already as they can't stand him and his brand of football. I did say to them that sometimes you just need to go through the hard times to become a better team/club at the end of it but I have little faith in him
     
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    Did Igamane refuse to come on today? Think he's good personally, extremely raw but has all the traits
     
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    Aye trying to push a move to Lille is what I've heard - raskin is apparently unhappy as well

    Loads kicking off behind the scenes from what ive been told
     
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    I'm sure their fans will be reacting perfectly calmly to all that:emoticon-0140-rofl:
     
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    Totally, Rangers fans never overreact
     
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    Steve Bruce could be gone soon

    4 defeats from 5 in the league for Blackpool
     
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    I think he's trying to talk himself out of a job mind. I'm not sure I like that. He has done an excellent job but has been very well backed. Marinakis is a weird one, but he puts his money where his mouth is.

    Seems like it's also to do with Edu, who is Director of Football or something similar there. But they are all big boys, earn a lot of money and should be able to work together even if they don't like each other.
     
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cn0275y3ey8o

    I get what you say, he does himself no favours with his image and communication, but at the same time he doesn't help himself with his apparent dogmatic style. You need a bit of pragmatism and adaptability if things aren't working. It doesn't mean abandoning your principles, just tweaking them or changing details that aren't working to suit the situation you're in. The best managers like Ferguson and Ancelotti do it, it's why they're successful. Martin gives the impression that he's either unwilling or unable to do that. The idea of making plan a better sounds good, but like much in football, if you don't have the players to do it, it won't work. It's why you need that but if adaptability until you can bring in the players you want to be able to play how you eant. The worry is if you get your desired players and it still doesn't work. Opinions of him from Southampton fans aren't exactly high.

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    All are from Saints web and show a lot of fans have/had the same criticism of him for a long time.

    To be fair to him, he's only been a manager for 6 years so may learn to do it or communicate better, but if not his career will only end up going downhill rapidly. Football is full of managers who were going to be the next big thing only to fall by the wayside. Christ, even Phil Parkinson was considered a promising up and coming manager 15 years ago.
     
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    All are from Saints web and show a lot of fans have/had the same criticism of him for a long time.

    Martin, as we all know, has a bit of a reputation for playing "the right way".

    But what's that anyway? And if you only have one way, you become predictable and teams find a way. Even Saint Pep, the greatest and most perfect manager who ever did walk the earth or exist any of the heavens, sees his team concede the type of poor goals again this season that they did last, even after blasting loads of money at the problem. (No doubt he'll just go and buy the best goalkeeper in the world now, as his new recruit has had a bad start).

    Martin will get that sack up there. Then he'll get another job down here in the Championship. Then, when he's unlucky again, he'll pop up on the telly , informing us all on just exactly what all the other managers who aren't doing well are getting wrong.

    Such is football now, not that I'll hear it mind!
     
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