Transfer Rumours transfer thread fact and fiction

I'm not coming down on any side, but I heard Redknapp on the radio this morning mentioning that Carrick was driving down to Portsmouth when Levy hijacked him.

 

Relative to the fact that we were a mid to bottom half team with very little money? Yes.

Please name more than five players Levy has signed in 23 years whose signing really impressed you.

I can't think of more than the three I listed.

 

Yet under levy with Pochettino we managed to build a team better than anything Sugar ever managed to and came a lot closer to winning the biggest prizes than we had in years.

It’s not about the names, it’s about players that make us better. Would the likes of dembele, eriksen, vertonghen, alderweireld etc make you stand up and take notice? Probably not at the time but they turned into our best team in years.

I think our transfers have much improved the last few years so hopefully we are heading in the same direction.

 

I disagree.

I think the Poch era was the equivalent of the perfect storm. Wave of players coming through the academy, superb recruiter in Paul Mitchell and a manager superb at nurturing young talent. It all came together perfectly and balancing it out was a core who preceded Poch and provided a solid base of PL experience to mix the youngsters into.

We've been trying to chase that formula ever since, because it worked and - more importantly for Levy - it was cheap.

But what he doesn't seem to realise is that football has moved on. So have we. In a large way thanks to what Poch did, we are no longer seen as an irrelevant team.

And so cheap young talent comes here, wilts and dies because of a lack of playing time and lack of a manager who can coach them into better players.

And so, we've spent the past six years going through managers, DoFs and players like my youngest went through bed sheets when he was toilet training.

There is absolutely no indication we are any closer to that magic formula. Yes, we won a trophy last year but at what cost? The brink of relegation?

I am more confident that Frank will have the magic touch Poch had, but I am less confident in Lange and Levy to provide him with the players to nurture.

 

What drives me spare about Levy is how he consistently manages to find a way to ruin a good thing.

Redknapp builds a top 4 team that could go on to challenge for the title, he gives him Saha and Nelson.

Poch builds a team capable of challenging for everything, he gives him no one.

Ange somehow finishes 5th having lost Kane to Bayern and half his team to injury, he gives him Solanke and a bunch of GCSE students.

Frank somehow walks into a job that has CL football on offer, he gives him Kudus and Palhinha on loan.

 

Agree with Frank

No one gets everyone they are interested in…however we certainly dont want players that don’t want to play for us

He’s welcome to the 2nd place specialists

 

Sorry CK but you've kind of lost me.
You put Rebrov in the list but he delivered nothing to this club.
You mentioned Armstrong which is a serious mis remembering.
Les Ferdinand was at the arse end of his career as was Sherwood. Ziegler delivered very little and all took part in car crashingly embarrassing matches in our clubs history.

You failed to mention us signing Defoe and Keane yet mention ferdinand and Armstrong.

You forget to mention Edgar Davids, Carrick and Bale and Lennon (three of the most rated young players when they signed).

You've ignored Peresic, Romero, VDV and Porro yet included poyet and Ziege.

As for Pochettino getting nothing.
You've forgot to add that Ndombele, sessengon and lo celso were players he wanted and chose to wait as they werent available and when they were signed the following year people were raving about us taking a stride forward yet we all know how that ended.

As for putting Kudas and Paulinio in the same bracket as saha and Nielson is just silly.

I ain't a fan of Levy having a say in hiring and firing managers or having a say in transfers but your posts are very inconsistent to say the least.

 

Morgan Gibbs White and or his reps clearly broke a confidentiality agreement and he was told by his club that that either he stays and signs a new contract or Forest would take legal action against him.
That ain't the fault of anyone at Spurs.

As far as I can see our mistake in the Eze deal was that we involved ourselves when we knew he really wanted to go to Arsenal.

Villa and Newcastle (who people have used as positive samples about how we should be acting) are having a difficult times this summer.
Villa have paid over the odds on player transfers and wages and now need to sell before they can buy but players don't wanna leave cos it would involve a pay cut.
We ourselves have struggle to ditch players like Ndombele, Sessengon, Lo Celso, sanchez and Gil cos of the wages they are on yet want us to throw more money at "good players" so they'll join.
Those players were all considered good signings at the time.

 

Sounds like Eze was waiting and waiting and hoping for Arsenal to come a callin but even if they didn’t at the end of the day moving to Spurs would be an interesting move up in his career, as soon as they came he went.

His heart was never in it

thank **** Havertz got injured

 

@remembercolinlee has done this for me but I will add a certain Lloris, Eriksen, Lamela and Son to his list. All did much more for the club than anyone you mentioned and were properly in demand when they were signed.

 

We're apparently preparing a bid that will make Savinho our record signing.

Haggle over savings £5m in the Eze deal to then panic and spend £20m above the odds for Savinho.

Levy mathematics.

 

I really can't complain about the latter one, as I specifically called for exactly that!

 

The Premier League started in 1992 and this completely changed the game in the sense of both the sport and the financial side. ENIC has only worked with Spurs during this new era. Spurs were a mid table cup winning side since the golden 50/60s period before ENIC and of course almost bankrupt before Sugar another unpopular owner. Some of you may have noticed that my politics are left, in fact radical left in many ways. I am however a business man (retired) I ran my own companies for 30 years of my working life. My perspective from that working life and now (I still sit on two boards as a director) colours my views. As I have said, many times, for me football is about fun and diversion, it is not about bragging rights, banter aside.

That perspective leads me to believe that Spurs fans on the whole should be pleased with how ENIC has raised the status of the club to one of the top ten richest in the world. We are now considered as a top 6 club in England and the surprise that we finished 17th last season confirms that status. This has all been achieved by straightforward business methods of investing to increase turnover and gain a greater cash flow.

Overall the ENIC period has been a success in terms of standing. Less cups but that's simply because it is much, much harder to win cups in PL era. These cups are now worth much more in revenue to the clubs than they used to be. Before they were simply about status now they are worth millions so the biggest clubs want to win them.

When Spurs won the double in 1961 the last winners of the double winners was Aston Villa in 1897. In the Premier League era there have been 7 double winners. City and Chelsea 1 each, Arsenal 2 and United 3. Those figures tell you quite clearly why it is so much harder to win a cup in the PL era.

The big criticism of Levy, for me is the cost of going to a game. That excludes many fans but of course from a business point of view he's right because the stadium is usually full.

Having followed Spurs for more than 60 years and despite the dearth of trophies now is still one of the best times to watch Tottenham Hotspur.

Edited: Liverpool from PL winners of the double their's was 85/86/

 

We're in a bizarre situation where most of the trophies are won by a small group.
It's become so marginalised that historically successful sides aren't even in the running.
City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd and Arsenal have won virtually everything in the PL era.

If you're looking down the list, you'd expect us, Villa, Everton, Wolves and Newcastle to be in it.
Two of that group just won their first trophies in decades.
Villa's last trophy? 1996. Everton? 1995. Wolves? 1980.
Blackburn, Leeds and Sunderland? Decades. Wednesday look like they're going under.

The flip side of it is that some sides are having their best seasons ever.
Palace just won their first trophy and West Ham had European success.
Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton and Fulham are all here, despite never having won anything.
Maybe one of them will break their duck this time?

 

we haven't done the double in PL era

 

I remember reading somewhere many years ago that the then new Premier League would increase the number of Southern English clubs represented at the top because of the concentration of population and wealth in Southern England. If you had told me in the 70's that Brighton, Bournemouth and Brentford would become top division clubs I would have been incredulous. Traditionally the North was the main powerhouse of football in England and of course Rangers and Celtic in Scotland were powerhouses of football. Celtic remember were the first club in the British Isles to win the European Cup. That's all changed with the PL money machine.

 

Well you should have done, call yourself one of the elite

But yes you are right your Double was 85/86. I stand corrected.

 

we don't call ourselves one of the elite we just are elite

 

...and the r/coys brainrot is happy that Everton are on the verge of signing Tyler Dibling, because the whole arbitrary date of birth thing

 

Wow. I'm not really one for the criminal accusations and all that, but this actually sounds like his family was threatened.

I hope he/they are safe.

Maybe we go back in next summer to rescue, I mean sign him.