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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by LuisDiazgamechanger, Jul 6, 2018.

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  1. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    In saying how is a crib sheet cheating, you've answered your own question. Doesn't crib mean cheat? You've just essentially said how is cheating, cheating?

    I'm not making a big deal of it but it's cheating.
     
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  2. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Part about crying in Turin and then finishes it off with

    This is how the Chiesa song may sound to the ears of a Juventus supporter but I’ve adjusted it to make it really clear.
    “**** off Liverpool, I’m a South Yorkshire policeman now.”

    Just to add, not social media, written by Tony Evans

    Also a bit in the athletic written by Simon Hughes but behind a paywall but titled - Why the chant is making some Liverpool fans uncomfortable which I assume is along the same lines.
     
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  3. InBiscanWeTrust

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    I wouldn’t say it’s cheating - it’s trying to gain an advantage. But is it any different to getting a physio on and using it to get some tactics across to the team? I think it’s widely accepted thing that every team does - whether it’s against the spirit is another thing but the fact that there is nothing in the laws to say it can’t be done not sure you can claim it’s cheating.
     
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  4. johnsonsbaby

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    I largely agree.

    There's a fine line between what you would call gaining an advantage and cheating. They are basically synonymous. Nobody would flat out say that a player going down pretending to be injured is cheating, or call time wasting, cheating. The pundits would say they were being clever. Others would call it gamesmanship. I think they're just fancy words for cheating. As I said I don't think it's a big deal.

    If you go into an exam well prepared, you don't need a crib sheet. If you took this as an analogy, Pickford would be expelled. :)
     
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    Meh, just a has been trying to stay relevant by creating fake outrage and taking something out of context.
     
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  6. johnsonsbaby

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    Maybe but apart from some of the very aggressive language used throughout, he's highlighted something that didn't need highlighting and saying rival fans will be going for it now. D'ya think, Tony. <doh>
     
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  7. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    There's open book exams.

    I can think of no rule in football that makes this cheating

    I can think of tennis where coaches cannot coach from the box but a player could bring notes and read them at breaks all he wants.

    My issue here is I dont see the rule that he is either breaking or against the spirit of.

    The England keeper stealing and chucking the sapniah keepers bottle is "ungentlemanly conduct"
     
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  8. johnsonsbaby

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    You see that's where we differ. You don't have to be told something's cheating to use your own judgement. If there was a rule then breaking the rule would be just that and not cheating.

    There are lots of instances that aren't covered in the rules that actually amount to cheating like those I've already mentioned. The towel on the sidelines was another one. Ball boys wasting time by delaying passing the ball to the opposition or not even bothering to give the opposition the ball and making them retrieve it themselves. To me they're all modes of cheating.

    Btw the Spanish goalkeeper said the England goalkeeper had told porkies (well she didn't use that expression) She didn't have her water bottle thrown away it was there throughout the whole shootout and video evidence supports it.
     
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  9. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    So you know of no rule that is broken by having such a sheet either?

    I simply fail to see what a little list on a bottle gives as an advantage to anyone

    Pickford has his info off data for 3 or 4 possible takers based on subs.

    The taker for Leeds for example should know from his own analytics that pickford will likely do whatever and thry dont need a list as its just pickford.

    Of all the thuggish scummy behaviour pickford gets up to, this seems utterly irrelevant.

    Falling on the ball constantly when he can simply hold it I'm his hands then waste.time is something there is now a rule against.

    When someone makes a rule.about notes then its a story.

    Like our first corner we can send a lad into the 6 yard zone to read his bottle.
     
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  10. johnsonsbaby

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    You brought up the water bottle thing, I'm just responding with what I think. It's not against any rule, I haven't claimed it is and it's certainly not the worst thing he does or even close to it.
     
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  11. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    If there's no rule, then it cant be cheating?
     
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  12. johnsonsbaby

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    Violating rules is just one form of cheating. Acting dishonesty or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, is another.

    This is turning into more than I meant it to be with my casual remark. <laugh>

    Is there anything in football that doesn't break a rule but you regard as cheating?
     
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    Salah wins PFA player of the year.

    Vvd, Mac, Grav and Salah in team of the year, alongside newbie Kerkez.
     
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  14. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    What advantage?

    Not one pen taker stepping up hasn't researched the keeper as well.

    Every pen taker is going to step up.knowing the opposing keeper has his research done as well. These are pros.

    If pickford needs a hint cos he is too stupid to remember some basic facts that suggests he's at a serious disadvantage.

    Further his record is purely down to volume. His record of 10 saves out of 66 is just OK. Nothing more.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Not bad I suppose :)

    Very odd timing of these being published. Did they miss their timing for the dinner last may.
     
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  16. johnsonsbaby

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    The advantage could simply be over the other keeper who doesn't have a cheat sheet ..... you know because most trust themselves enough without one.

    What about my question about is there anything you see that you call cheating?
     
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  17. Bumps

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    Pens are a battle of wills
    In training most pen takers score

    the crib sheet can only says usually goes to and not much else so the easiest solution is as a pen taker learn to have different directions

    whilst I understand the point from JB I don’t agree
    Not that it matters lol
    I don’t really think it’s pushing any limits or that it should be against the rules

    anyway
    The Isak stuff is getting very messy
    I still don’t really want him but only cause I don’t think he is good value for the outlay
     
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  18. johnsonsbaby

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    Great. Pleased for Salah and the others who made the toty. Do the fellow players vote on this? If so it means more than an award voted for by journalists.
     
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    I think cheating is where something is against a rule directly

    then you have things that aren’t in the spirit of the game

    then stuff that some just find annoying

    atm making a back isn’t cheating but for me it should be
    Others probably aren’t as bothered about it
     
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  20. johnsonsbaby

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    I don't think making a back is cheating, I think it's a cynical move with the intention of upending a player, similar to cheating in that it's an attempt to gain advantage but unlike cheating which.is always sneaky.
     
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