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  1. LD19SAFC

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    League games played on the first column. League goals scored in the second column

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    He's nowhere near good enough at CB imo, would struggle at championship level at CB - hes a good CM now and that should be his focus
     
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    Jesus his goal scoring records even worse than i thought.
     
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    It's not just his shooting, he doesn't really get into positions to score which is the big concern for me
     
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    That’s it. Most of his efforts are from range. He doesn’t get in anywhere near enough attacking positions for a ‘winger’
     
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    It's his final ball....decision making once he's got inside his full back and into a bit of space...always seems wrong. That said....Wembley in May! He can do it!
     
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    He can definitely do a lot of the things we need a winger to do but he doesn't do it enough
     
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    At times he wriggles inside into position to shoot but I never ever expect him to do anything that makes the keeper need to even dive.
     
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    Yep,when I played,coaches used to say....he passes when he should shoot and he shoots when he should pass! Glad we've got a new set piece coach too.....his set piece delivery has often been terrible.
     
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    Need that attack the back post type winger I reckon, maybes a more aggressive/physical style winger
     
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    What irritates me more than anything is the fans who say he’s always got 2 defenders on him and that’s why it’s hard for him.. he doesn’t, he just decides to beat one man then drive into an area filled with defenders rather than shooting or looking for the pass. His decision making is really poor and at the age of 28 it’s not going to get any better
     
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    Honestly I think it’s time to move on his output just isn’t good enough for us in the premier league.
     
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    Yep totally

    He's slow on the ball and that draws defenders to him

    I don't mind him compared to other people (looking at your @SourPatch2!!) But he's not PL quality imo
     
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    Bayer Leverkusen doing the same thing as they did with Xhaka for Adli

    I think maybes we are looking elsewhere
     
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    Want to start this by saying that I'll forever be grateful for the goal against Sheff Wed and the assist against Sheff Utd, both huge moments where Roberts delivered. However, I think in football you can't be blinded by a few moments when the rest of the time he's largely been poor. If this was a player we're being linked to i'm really not sure anyone would be excited.

    He had 78 shots last season (2 penalties) but just 2 goals (1 penalty), that's a non penalty shot conversion rate of 1.31%. For someone who is among our highest shot takers that's not even close to being good enough.

    Then you look at the xG stuff. 0.05 non penalty xG per shot. Why does he shoot so much from bad opportunities when he's clearly not good at it? That just wastes so many opportunities to sustain attacks and build for better opportunities. Attached a shot map below where you can clearly see what he does, cut in and shoot. But the problem is that he just isn't good at it. His only open play goal over the last 2 seasons came on the opposite side (Bristol City at home). So in the PL, where we will naturally have less opportunities to score, do you want him taking a large % of our shots?
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    His chance creation is fine for the Championship, nothing great but it's solid. 0.09 xA per chance created which is fine. But if it's the main selling point then i'm not sure it's good enough.

    When it comes to dribbling and ball carrying, he's wildly overrated. People talk about how he wins fouls but he won just 1.04 fouls per90, compared to Mundles 2.31. He's actually dispossessed more than he's fouled. Progressive carry distance is miles behind Mundle as well.

    His work rate is pretty good but the actual defending leaves a lot to be desired. We've seen with Talbi what real high level defending from a winger looks like, with proper pressing angles and body positioning (I know it's pre season but from what I seen of Talbi at Brugge, I'm confident he'll carry it into the real games). Roberts was dribbled past 1.61 times per90, compared to Mundles 0.31.

    I know i'm in the minority with Roberts because he's exciting on the ball, but I just can't ignore all the evidence that suggests he's not very good. I think we've upgraded massively with Talbi.
     
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  19. Scout73

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    Honestly don't think this is a bad signing at all

    All about his fitness of course but he's a good player and fits their mold of signing big lads this summer
     
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    Honestly I’m happy with that because they’ll likely not sign another, he’ll be on big wages and they’ve been linked to a lot better.
     
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