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WAR! What is it good for?

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  1. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    Just out of interest, with the BBC ramming down our throats, the daily death rate, from malnutrition in Gaza (today’s number is 7)

    What’s the daily death rate from malnutrition in other poor countries and those at war?
     
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  2. Star of David Bardsley

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    This would assume anyone is interested enough to keep track.
     
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  3. Citizen Kane.

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    100 deaths per day in the Sudan, at its peak.

    https://sudanwarmonitor.com/p/uk-100-famine-deaths-per-day-in-sudan

    But you wouldn't have known as the UK media were probably running wall-to-wall coverage about a few goats killed by an Israeli airstrike.
     
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  4. FosseFilberto

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    Do you have any stats for airstrikes in Sudan? ... particularly on schools, hospitals or other places where refugees are known to have gathered?
     
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  5. Citizen Kane.

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    Yes. It's easy to find. Simple Google search. Not worthy of any headline news though of course.

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/06/04...e current war, which,of Nyala by the military.

    https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/03/1161571

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/10/airstrike-north-darfur-market-kills-people-sudan
     
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  7. Citizen Kane.

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    Agreed, but it doesn't bear thinking about what the case would be if the SAF was equipped with the same hardware as Israel.

    We'd be looking at hundreds of thousands dead.
     
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    i lost interest after the Gangaweed group stopped being mentioned
     
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  9. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    So, reading that, you agree we should sanction Israel, like we have Sudan, just a lot heavier?
     
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  10. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    There we have it…

    I knew that the BBC were on another one of their propaganda campaigns. Seen them do this too many times now that I always stop and think when I see their bleeding hearts headlines.

    No Jews involved in the Sudan war, I’m afraid.
     
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  11. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    I think this holds more weight than Benny or Piskie.


    A British-Israeli woman held hostage by Hamas has said Sir Keir Starmer is "not standing on the right side of history" with his pledge to recognise a Palestinian state.

    Emily Damari, who was released in January after being held by Hamas for more than 15 months, said the UK prime minister "risks rewarding terror".
     
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    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    She later posted: "This move does not advance peace - it risks rewarding terror. It sends a dangerous message: that violence earns legitimacy. By legitimising a state entity while Hamas still controls Gaza and continues its campaign of terror, the prime minister is not promoting a solution; he is prolonging the conflict.

    "Recognition under these conditions emboldens extremists and undermines any hope for genuine peace. Shame on you!"

    Her post followed a statement from lawyers representing British families with relatives who were, or are, still hostages, expressing their concerns about the prime minister's statement.

    They said: "We are concerned that the UK's proposal risks delaying the release of the hostages.

    "This is because the UK has said that it will recognise a Palestinian state unless Israel agrees a ceasefire. But the risk is that Hamas will continue to refuse a ceasefire because if it agrees to one this would make UK recognition less likely.

    "The families are therefore deeply concerned that the UK's approach risks disincentivising Hamas from releasing the hostages. This risks doing exactly what the prime minister's statement says the UK will not do: reward Hamas for its heinous and illegal acts.

    "The British hostage families take no position on the wider politics. Their concern is to bring their loved ones home, and time is fast running out.

    "They therefore implore the prime minister to provide clarity and confirm, unambiguously, that Hamas will not be rewarded and that the UK will not take any substantive steps until all the hostages are free."

    'We need moral clarity'
    Steve Brisley's British-Israeli sister and nieces, Lianne, Noiya and Yahel Sharabi were murdered on 7 October.

    His brother-in-law Eli Sharabi was released as a hostage earlier this year, looking emaciated and weak. Eli's brother's body is still being held hostage by Hamas.

    Speaking from Wales, Mr Brisley said he was "disappointed" with the prime minister's statement and there should be no recognition of a Palestinian state unless the hostages are released.

    "My concern about the statement is it potentially incentivizes Hamas to continue to hold those hostages, just waiting until September, until a Palestinian state is recognised by the UK.

    "There is a deadline for what is expected of Israel, but no similar deadline set for what is expected from Hamas."

    He added: "I think we need clarity that the release of the hostages will bring this to an end."
     
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  13. Saf

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    They make a good point. Why would Hamas even consider releasing the hostages now after what our dickhead PM has said?

    Hama know by keeping hold of the hostages, Israel won’t agree to a ceasefire and the European leaders will fall for it and they’ll be rewarded for their terrorism and kidnappings by getting what they want.
     
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    If I ever want to know anything on Sudan, I search for this reporter https://x.com/YousraElbagir

    She even found her own uncle as an evacuee back in April

    She retweeted this on 26th July...

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    “An estimated one million people in Al Fasher town and Zamzam camp – half of them children – are at high risk if additional supplies do not urgently reach these areas, where famine is already stalking children. The limited humanitarian response that has been able to continue within the camp is under threat with the continuously escalating violence. Sustained, rapid and unimpeded humanitarian access is the only way lifesaving aid can reach families, including children, trapped in areas in and around the fighting.

    https://www.unicef.org.uk/press-rel...shouk-and-zamzam-camps-in-north-darfur-sudan/
     
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  15. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    The population of Sudan is 30 times the size of Gaza, so that would need 3,000 Sudanese dying everyday for it to be roughly the same.
     
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    Ignoring the fact that you've completely missed the point, your calculation would assume that there are 100 starvation-related deaths per day in Gaza, which isn't true. The maximum I've seen is 25 per day.

    I also must have missed the part when Sudanese militias and civilians invaded a neighbouring territory, tortured, raped and killed thousands before kidnapping 250 more and taking them into tunnels up to 80m below the ground.
     
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  17. Solid Air 2

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    you're starting to sound like Fosse
     
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    Sudan does have fewer women doctor baby journalists though. Gaza has the highest population of women baby doctor journalists in the world and they’re all going to die in 48 hours or something.
     
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    CK is the Israeli version - Yossi
     
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    <laugh>
     
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