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Star of David Bardsley · Jul 1, 2025 at 3:40 PM

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Michael Rosen......

...and so to the Chief Rabbi.
Here you go:
"This is a time of national shame. The airing of vile Jew-hatred at Glastonbury and the BBC's belated and mishandled response, brings confidence in our national broadcaster's ability to treat antisemitism seriously to a new low.
"It should trouble all decent people that now, one need only couch their outright incitement to violence and hatred as edgy political commentary, for ordinary people to not only fail to see it for what it is, but also to cheer it, chant it and celebrate it. Toxic Jew-hatred is a threat to our entire society."
What he's saying is that what Bob Vylan said and did was 'vile Jew-hatred' and 'antisemitism'. What Bob Vylan said was 'Death, death to the IDF' and encouraged people to join in.
For this to be 'vile Jew-hatred' and 'antisemitism' requires us to say that the IDF is Jewish and in some form or another represents Jews ie a verbal attack on the IDF is a verbal attack on Jews because they are Jewish - that's the essence of antisemitism (or indeed that's the pattern of most racism - the hostility is on account of that person or people being who they are.
So let's ask ourselves, does 'Death to the IDF' mean hostility to Jews because they are Jews?
I don't hear that. I hear hostility to an armed force and/or to the chiefs of staff directing those armed forces. I heard it as hostility on account of what those armed forces have been doing.
Now back to the Chief Rabbi. Let's remember where he's coming from. In January 2024, he talked of the Israeli armed forces as 'our heroic soldiers'. For him to say this, means that he sees no line, no dividing line between him and the IDF. They are 'ours'.
What this means is that the conflation or merging of IDF and 'Jews' is in his mind. It's not in the words that Bob Vylan chanted.
Meanwhile, here's the Chief Rabbi in 2019, '“I am delighted to congratulate Boris Johnson, a longstanding friend and champion of the Jewish community, on becoming the next leader of the Conservative Party and our next Prime Minister. '
'Longstanding friend and champion of the Jewish community'? Really? This is Johnson who created classic antisemitic stereotypes in his novel, and who platformed 'Taki' in the 'Spectator' - Taki, who received complaints from the Spectator's owner accusing Taki of presenting "the universal Jewish ethos as brutish, vulgar, grasping and cunningly wicked."
So where are we?
While the media (and me) are engaged in this debate over Bob Vylan, hundreds of Palestinians have been killed, maimed, orphaned, dispossessed and hounded out of homes and 'safe' zones. It's been one of the biggest and most successful examples of 'whataboutery' ever invented. 'Let's all look at Bob Vylan and not notice the massacre of Palestinians.'
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Michael Rosen is a prominent self-hating lunatic btw.

Stroller · Jul 1, 2025 at 4:18 PM

Star of David Bardsley said: ↑

Michael Rosen is a prominent self-hating lunatic btw.
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Plently of Jews hate what the IDF is doing in Gaza (although I know you're not one of them). It's not anti-semitic to call them out as genocidal murderers.

These two stories ran alongside each other on the BBC website at the weekend. Which of these is more worthy of outrage, would you say?........

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Star of David Bardsley · Jul 1, 2025 at 4:26 PM

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Plently of Jews hate what the IDF is doing in Gaza (although I know you're not one of them). It's not anti-semitic to call them out as genocidal murderers.

These two stories ran alongside each other on the BBC website at the weekend. Which of these is more worthy of outrage, would you say?........

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Stuff that happened yesterday here is going to get more of the headlines than the same thing happening for the hundredth time somewhere else. Not everyone is desperate for more war porn with their cornflakes.

But my point really was just that Rosen is a fruitcake.

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