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WAR! What is it good for?

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  1. brb

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    <laugh>

    They only needed a slap, nothing more, I always looked at it that Iran can't afford an all out war, otherwise you just degrade all the strength you built up. Might as well sit on your hands until you are in a more stable position.

    Putin is a slightly different kettle of fish, he can churn out more hardware than Europe can keep up with, so I'm more hoping Trump can do something with him, Europes bigger threat.

    Btw I still think Trump and Putin were in cahoots on this Iran attack, don't know why, they all just seem a little too cosy for me. And I noticed NATO avoided the Putin word yesterday, so Trump is defo up to something.

    I expect we will find out as soon as the Republicans need some news deflection....oh look over there at Moscow.
     
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    I don't know what it is with Hegseth, but I'm thinking Harry Potter film everytime I see him, why the **** is that!?

    My memory is poor around film characters and plots, maybe someone can tell me the connection lol
     
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    Yeah there’s no way Iran could afford all out war with the US and Israel, they would get obliterated or they would have tried to drag in Russia, Pakistan or China and it would have got really messy.

    Also, if the regime had toppled, it would have left a vacuum in the region which would likely have created an even more dangerous situation than the one the US were trying to address

    As for Putin, apparently he phoned Trump to ask him if he wanted any help with Iran. I take that to mean diplomatic help rather than supporting them. But I think Putin is about to feel the heat when it comes to Ukraine, as Trump has had enough, and bolstered by this campaign in Iran, he’ll want to be the one who takes the credit for ending the Russia / Ukraine war.

    I hope he does. I don’t care how much he wants to pontificate or puff out his chest about how great he is. If he gets it done, then I’m all for it.
     
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    He’s definitely got Draco Malfoy vibes with that slick back hair and tough man routine lol

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    Hopefuly he can sort out Putin, but he's going to need to massage Putin's ego a bit, I can't see him taking kindly to Trump demeaning him or Russia's ability, but don't think Trump is that stupid to try that **** on him. So Trump will probably slag of Europe for not being ready to deal with threats, and that will play to Putin's dislike of the EU and NATO. But Ukraine will definitely need to concede territory.
     
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  6. FosseFilberto

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    Ignore Ponky ... he's no Barry Norman... <laugh>

    ... much more this guy than Draco

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    Translation:

    "This clip (from a Gaza-based journalist) was taken today. It shows the reality of the situation here. Armed members of Hamas are seizing aid trucks and confiscating them for their own purposes.

    I asked troops in the area why they allowed this to happen, and they told me that due to rising pressure, their instructions are to allow aid trucks to pass without further checks (and it is after this point that Hamas commandeer them).

    So this is the situation - we continue to feed, enrich and strengthen Hamas.

    This government promised that "not a single seed will fall into Hamas's hands", but clearly the reality is the opposite.

    Embarrassing."
     
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  8. Sucky

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    Why the **** we feeding them anyways?

    Let em starve
     
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    A clip from a 'Gaza based journalist' manages to escape the IDF independent reporting lockdown? ...whatever next? ... minor miracle in itself ... also that Israel wasn't able to take those trucks out with their sophisticated precise targeted air strikes etc ...

    Makes you wonder why it's not being shown by any of the mainstream News outlets?

    Also a tad strange that the IDF / US are able to administer their own 'aid' (albeit seemingly never without a random culling of civilians in the queue) but can't do that for aid from official agencies? ... again nothing strange there ...

    Why can't that aid just be distributed with the US / Israeli stuff? ... surely an aid truck is an aid truck ...

    Also looks strange that none of the trucks in the clip have the UNWRA signage that usually accompanies their aid? ... perhaps they just forgot?

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    Meanwhile ...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9knl5w529o
     
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    Another 56 people killed by the IDF in Gaza again today.

    The GHF aren’t really putting the humanitarian part of the H into their moniker very effectively. Food aid has been weaponised, it’s a complete logistical nightmare, thousands of people are walking miles to all congregate at militarised distribution centres and IDF soldiers have got itchy trigger fingers

    Just ****ing hand it back to the UN who have been doing this stuff successfully for years.

    Absolute abomination what the US/Israel have done to that aid distribution
     
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    Boo hoo

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    The occupation forces should be nowhere near any aid drops let alone in charge of it.
     
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    IMG_1935.jpeg Trump really does see himself as the saviour doesn’t he <laugh>
     
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    Trump’s got a few lawsuits against him, so does Netanyahu. Both currently protected by Presidential immunity.

    Crooks protecting crooks.
     
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    Meanwhile our **** MP's that download child rape pics get 200hrs community service
     
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  16. Citizen Kane.

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    Do keep up, Fosse. UNWRA have been out of the picture for months.

    The current set up is through the privately contracted GHF, and it clearly isn't working.

    What worries me about the videos Bennett posted is the fact that Hamas is apparently still strong enough to simply seize aid trucks at will. I'm not sure when, where or how this is happening but I am doing some more research before commenting further. My gut feeling is that they are being taken somewhere along the route between the checkpoint (which has IDF oversight) and the GHF distribution centres.

    If indeed this is happening on a daily basis, it isn't at all surprising that there are so many deaths being reported from areas "near aid centres". Are there clashes at points where Hamas attempt to hijack the trucks, and civilians are caught in that crossfire?

    Wouldn't surprise me.
     
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    I'll consider it all more likely if the same story gets verified from sources with non bias ... as it stands, I'm deeply sceptical that so many armed men would expose themselves to Israeli firepower when Israel continues to target hospitals and refugee encampments on the pretext that Hamas refuse to come out into the open to fight ... smells incredibly fishy ... and not just because it has been delayed entry for so long ...
     
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    EU + UK has much larger population than Russia, many more factories than Russia, much more money than Russia. Europe COULD easily keep up with Russia militarily- it's just they prefer focusing on things like: the economy, keeping people out of poverty, infrastructure... little things like keeping the country worth living in. All the little things Putin doesn't necessarily have to worry about.

    It's obviously a delicate balance because you don't want a race to the bottom: spending more and more on military instead of keeping the country going... but at the same time, you don't want to be vulnerable to Russia- especially with the US being so unreliable. EU needs to spend enough on military that Putin isn't a major threat even without US help... without going silly.

    I do think the plan for French nuclear weapons to be deployed throughout the EU is a good idea- spread the deterrent, don't keep it all in one surrendery basket- just keep them all under French control- don't let all the random nations have the codes. French ones not being built with any US components unlike UK's own.
     
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    Reuters now covering the story - spokesmen for Gazans saying the guys on the lorries are nothing to do with Hamas ... interesting read...

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...l-least-21-people-gaza-medics-say-2025-06-26/
     
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    It's already been stated the EU + UK would not be able to keep up with Russia's weapons output, I think the estimate was something like what would take Russia 3 months, we'd be lucky to churn out in five years as it stands. Yes' of course the economy and all the rest if it comes into it, but that wasn't the point. We are already vulnerable to Russia due to own neglect of our militaries over decades.

    We've had a wake up call, yet to get back on track we are talking achieving progress on military spending budgets by 2027 and 2030 - it's just laughable. Yes if need come to push then we could change that, in the meantime even the sanctions we applied are not working. As for nuclear weapons throughout the EU, we are going as bit **** crazy as Iran.

    Everything that is going on at the moment has made NATO relevant again, the cynic in me suggests these recent wars are sometimes convenient. Putin played right into the EU's hands, and the UK jumped onboard when we should've stayed out, particularly so because I think Putin is wanting to pick a fight with the UK as much as Trump wanted to with Iran. Thankfully Starmer has played to the ego of Trump, so that alone will make Putin think twice.

    Anyway, about time Trump kicked you out, aint it?
     
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