WAR! What is it good for?

No hate involved


Just common sense


Muslims are taught to murder/enslave all Infidels


It's in your book mate.

 

Give me the big red button keys and I'll press it til it breaks bro.


You ain't even been on one free Palestinie march have you?

 

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I dont run the navy but if I did there'd be no boats anymore.

Not one intact anyway

 

Doesn’t sound like a good Navy

 

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Bro don’t start demonstrating your stupidness again

You bring proofs and we talk

You havent read a page of my book

the odd sentence out of context has probably been fed to you because your sources know their gullible audience

 

And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then leave their way free. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

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If if if

bro you’ve got nothing much doing, no kids a gal who probably hates you

go n join the Navy

its the next best thing

if you really want this you can have it

use that ‘this means more’ energy brh

 

Its an easy request I’ve made

no hiding here

go and get the texts and we can debate this

 

Just added the text.

Go on tell me how it doesn't really mean that and it's out of context again

And that's just one of about 130 verses calling for the same thing.

 

That’s the context below, the when, the why of the matter

you shouldn’t lie to push your agenda mate


The verse of the Holy Quran is often mentioned to malign Islam. The verse does not say infidels it says idolaters. (9:5) And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then leave their way free. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
This verse, chapter 9 verse 5, is often used as evidence that Islam allows killing of non-Muslims, but what is not recognized is the context and history behind these verses. The history of this verse is that when Prophet Muhammad(sa) began preaching the unity of God he was persecuted for 13 years, much as Prophets Abraham and Jesus were. Since Muslims who are being persecuted are encouraged to leave for safer areas, rather than create disorder, Muhammad(sa) and his followers migrated to Medina. After they left, the Meccans attacked them in Medina on and off for a period of nine years until Chapter 9 was revealed.

Looking at the context of the verses, it becomes obvious that the commandment of this verse only relates to those tribes who continued hostilities against the Muslims even after they had migrated. In particular, reference is made to 5 tribes (‘Banu Khuza’ah, Banu Mudlij, Banu Bakr, Banu Damrah, and Banu Sulaiim) that did not honor the treaties they made with Muslims. It is also important to remember that the preceding verses give these people respite for 4 months to reconsider their behavior and cease hostilities. Sadly after 4 months passed, the enemies of Islam continued their hostilities against the Muslims. Only then was Prophet Muhammad(sa) commanded by God to meet them in battle to defend Muslims and the religion of Islam.

Even in this situation the Quran states that if the enemies repent of their behavior and promise to fulfill their treaties, it becomes incumbent on Muslims to cease military action and forgive them. Unfortunately those who take this specific verse out of context fail to see that as the title Al-Taubah suggests, the main subject matter of the chapter is forgiveness and repentance.

That is the context of why them verses were revealed

 

So out of that verse you took away forgiveness and repentance.


No wonder people call it a death cult ffs

The Quran has 123 verses that call for fighting and killing anyone who does not agree with the statement, “There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet.” Jews and Christians are specifically included among such “infidels.”

123 out of context verses don't ya know

 

Maybe someone should explain that to the scores of radical Muslim groups that kidnap and burn/stone women alive in cages....if they're lucky, the other ones are made Into sex slaves


Jokes

 

Oil gives it a trade surplus of £20bn per year, which pales in comparison to the top exporters but is more than enough to equip and arm multiple proxies fighting wars in underdeveloped second or third world countries.

By the same token, it clearly isn't enough to fight wars against first world countries, as Iran has now found out courtesy of Israel and the USA.

 

Feel free to search back through my posts over the past week or so.

Haven't mentioned this once.

My anger against Iran predated the current conflict by roughly two decades, i.e. since they embarked on their campaign to essentially ruin the entire middle east.

If you can't or won't accept that as my actual opinion (instead of the one you fabricated above), there's not much I can do about it.

 

I found this very interesting, thank you.

Something I've always struggled with when trying to study the Quran is the fact that it isn't written in chronological order. Makes it 100x harder for an 'outsider' to understand.

Do you know why it was arranged in order of chapter length?

 

You’ve read a book? When did this happen?

 

and all of them will have a reason for being mentioned

You are the one who took away the verses regarding forgiveness and repentance I mentioned them and now you are even trying to use that as a reason for spouting your hatred

You’re a simpleton who thinks that we are supposed to go around killing people, you are like the simpletons who translate it to mean that also

You and them are the same just fighting on different sides but same mentality, cut from the same cloth.

I’ve given you context…if you don’t like it,that’s your problem but you have learnt one lesson

do your research

we have scholars who dedicate their lives to this…they know more than your sources from Twitter and down the Pub

 

Different reasons to my knowledge. The long chapters were revealed in Medina and they concentrate on Law. The shorter ones were Meccan and concentrated on spirituality. Also for memorisation purposes the longer ones at the beginning and getting shorter, therefore in theory easier to learn as you read through it.