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Off Topic Saints Not606 Music Thread

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by Saints_Alive, Jun 13, 2017.

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Do you want a stickied music thread ?

Poll closed Jun 16, 2017.
  1. YES

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  2. NO

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  3. DON'T CARE

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  1. Ian Thumwood

    Ian Thumwood Well-Known Member

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    In fairness to Richard Clayderman, i believe that he initially started off as a concert pianist.
     
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  2. Saints_Alive

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    Two of the all time music greats gone in just a few days...:emoticon-0106-cryin

    Here's my favourite from the harmony and melody meister...



    And my favourite tribute to him...



    R.I.P. Brian...<rose>
     
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  3. Le Tissier's Laces

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    In other news, I can thoroughly recommend Emma-Jean Thackray's latest album, Weirdo.

    Even Ian might like it.
     
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  4. NNSaint

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    <laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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  5. NNSaint

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    It is true that as you get older, your progress is slower than it was however, it is absolutely possible. I have been teaching a retiree who sadly lost his wife and when he retired he decided to pursue a lifelong dream to play guitar. A year on and he is doing fantastically! Admitedly, being retired he has more time to practice but if you stick to the practice, you will make progress. I would recommend having a teacher (maybe biased here!) because this will give you extra motivation.

    Bottom line; go for it, it's great fun and apart from anything else you will feel a great sense of acheivement :emoticon-0148-yes:

    The ruler though, I can't help with ;)
     
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  6. NNSaint

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    He always used to play the "right" wrong note for maximum comedic effect and that takes some doing - anyone can just **** up! <laugh>
     
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  7. NNSaint

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    And then he had that smile surgically implanted.
     
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  8. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    The thing with Les was that he was actually a very competent pianist, but he used to just throw in subtle key changes which sounded completely dissonant. As you say, you have to be very good to play badly very well!
     
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  9. Jos Say No

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    I started playing guitar almost 25 years ago with no musical knowledge, just an interest in learning the songs I liked. Guitar was most accessible at the time because you don’t need to read music as tabs were available online. I wasn’t really creative enough to write my own stuff, so I didn’t feel the need for scales and music theory.

    Fast forward to a year ago and I decided I wanted to take up keyboard / piano and bought a moderately priced beginner Casio but set myself the challenge of actually learning music, but there are so many YouTube videos now to show you how to play songs as there are programs that light up as it plays. Again, I’ve stuck at it because I want to learn certain songs and pieces of classical (mainly Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata).

    It’s been a tough journey, but I’ve persisted and feel I’m doing okay with it, so much so I’ve already outgrown the keyboard and need to start looking at a decent digital piano! I think of it like puzzles - you either have the patience to sit and work them out or you don’t, but if you do, it’s great fun. Find songs you like and think you could manage and work towards them.
     
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  10. Ian Thumwood

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    I believe that learning an instrument is helped by the attutide of teachers. I feel it is best to start with the music a pupil likes and focus on what element appeals. Once you have their attention you can develop this to look at other styles of music.

    My piano teacher at school put me off music and only got back into it in the early 1990s. I had a really good teacher although he went through scales and argeggios to get my technique up. The intention was to play jazz but i spent the first year sugh reading stuff like the Bach 48 preludes and fugues.

    I find sight reading really difficult but stuff like Bach , Scarlatti and Haydn useful because you find the rudiments of everything else in their music. I did alot of ear training too when i was shown how to reharmonise sings. I still find this really hard but i agree with Jo that it is rewarding. These compsers are good because your ears help you anticipate notes when reading wheras stuff like Bartok is too unpredictable. (The Microcosmos stuff is a good starting point )

    I would add a word of caution insofar that the sheet music in popular music do not necessarily have the correct chords. I get that it is possible to reharmonise anything. However, some books have errors.

    The things i find difficult are playing with cross hands (often due to music being written for 2 keyboards) and stretching over a ninth. I love playing Thelonious Monk but also am addicted to sight reading. I buy music frequently ,.alot of it is too difficult for me although i like to find out how music works. I have loads of stuff from Baroque onwards but prefer 20th century like Scriabin , Syzmanowski, Villa Lobos but tend to prefer music with interesting chords. I find Debussy too difficult....can just about manage the 2 Arabesques. It is the sounds people create that appeal to me. I can suss out what is happening with 18th and early 19th century composers but don't quite understand more modern stuff which is what i prefer . Some composers baffle me such as Villa Lobos. His music includes childrens pieces but also stuff that that is impossible.

    Fair play for learning thr Beethoven...i have not got the patience to study his music.
     
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  11. Ian Thumwood

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    I love vintage country blues and will read anything i can lay my hands on. The fact that their lives are so unknown or made up of myths does add to the authenticity. I have quite a few discs in my collection as i went through a phase of exploring this. It is interesting because the recording quality is often so bad that it adds to the atmosphere and makes the music almost seem prehistoric.

    I totally get the point about living the blues but many of them like Blind Lemon Jefferson actually became quite affluent. Blind Willie McTell had a good education in a school for the blind . The records inspire your imagination and i think that listeners do bring something to the music. For example, it is really hard to hear Charlie Patton's guitar or understand what he is singing about on those old Paramount Records.i do wonder how much the records reflect the experience of his audience. The accounts i have read are suggestive that they were even better live.

    Some of them led tragic lives and died in their twenties and thirties. Often they started off with a local following before making the 'Big time.' Even then , they left little trace of the lives they led. I am fascinated by this music and it makes you appreciate how hard life was 100 year ago.
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  12. ChilcoSaint

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    I use an app called Chord AI, which analyses a song which you feed in from your files or from YouTube etc., and displays the chords, complete with finger positions for guitar, mandolin, or ukulele. It can even analyse lyrics as well, although some of the interpretations are hilariously wrong! The chord analysis is pretty spot on though. You can feed in different capo positions and even use different tunings like open C or DADGAD. It’s so much more accurate than sites like Ultimate Guitar, which are often oversimplified or just plain wrong. And it’s free!
     
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  13. NNSaint

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    Agree about ultimate guitar. The contributions for any given song are just the interpretations by lots of different people and that’s why you get so many mistakes. To be fair though, it does not allow you to specify chord voicings and just uses the chords in its database when you enter a chord name, mostly leaning toward open chords to appeal to complete beginners. I usually teach my students a combination of chord theory and ear training.
     
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